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Just the typical, I hate this about it, I like this about it, I disagree because. Could have worded it better ;) 
 

 



 

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Wow I'm in the same boat. I thought I'd calm down after my Miracles, but it's just got worse - I currently have the TF10's, another pair of FXT90's (hopefully without flex), FA Tandems, and contemplating the new Sony XBA-4's... All ordered/about to be ordered cool.gif

post #63 of 155

The mids on the TF10s don't sound particularly recessed to me either...not at all actually.confused.gif

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These TF 10 that I just got today seem to sound different to me as well. I'll second, or third, the mids not being recessed and the bass and treble are more coherent and even. My first pair sounded like the treble was better in clarity, transparency, and extension than the bass was. This pair seems to integrate the two better. Problem being that the treble isn't quite as impressive sounding if you get my drift since it doesn't stand out as much. I quickly put my old version UE cable on(skinny cable, shorter memory wire) and they fit much better. With the right cable the fit is so quick and easy. My other cable is done and will be on the way to me...

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A real beaut!! Kudos to Mr. Chris!

 

The Freq. balance seems fine now but the notes lack sharpness and the transients are a tick slow. That extra slight smudge on the notes is killing the micro-detail. Average_Joe said this about the last cable..."Sonically the TF10 improves dramatically with a more 3D presentation, better clarity, and an overall more refined and smoother sound.  The midrange is brought to a more forward position, more than likely because the added soundstage depth.  Switching back to the stock cable is a huge disappointment, but with the CH cable the TF10 actually takes a step up the performance ladder and stops me from wanting to take the TF10 out of my ears after a few seconds of listening."  Sounds like exactly what this phone needs. So, I'm excited if I get a bigger, tighter, more refined version of this with the mids brought out in front a bit.

 

 

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@shotgunshane,  ClieOS initial impressions of the M4 were very good.  MP4Nation forum had the M4 better than M1, M2, M3....I haven't heard those.  The preorder on the M4 was $50.00....I didn't bite on that because of shipping time.  MP4Nation, I found out now, is shipping all USA orders out of Phoenix, AZ, shipped by Amazon......just my luck.  Anyway I ordered the M4 through Amazon because of their return policy, paid $69.99 Amazon prime free shipping.  So, the main thing that ticked me off is, today the M4 is on Amazon for $54.50, so they are getting them returned from me.  They could easily be worth twice that, a very good value.  The bass/drums IMO are as good as the FXT90 and GR07, mids not reccessed IMO, sparkly highs.....very fun to listen to them.  Maybe I should have asked for the price difference for the M4 since it was Amazon.   "Ry Cooder Anthology: The UFO has Landed" has some of the best guitars, slide guitar sound on the M4 that I have heard.....just magical synergy with that album. 

 

 

I'm not buying the M2 to be technically better at anything.  I'm buying it for a sound signature.  I'm basically hoping to get the E10 with a better cable and build quality.  I'm pretty much done with buying based on technical ability.  Now that I know my preferences very well, I'm only searching for candidates that fit them.

 

 

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So now I'm convinced that either I had a pair of faulty TF10s (before Logitech) in the mids, or the new company adjusted the mids somewhat. No way are these the same recessed mids I originally heard over two to three years ago. And while the bass is still nice, it's not as strong as the bass back then. With that said, I'm liking these TF10s better. Do they blow away my other BAs? No, not at this point, but this UE has a unique sound sig all of its own. Biggest difference? The TF10 seem to be a tad to a lot colder in sound than my other BAs. Not a bad thing to me. More listening is required.


Edited by ericp10 - 11/29/11 at 6:33pm
post #67 of 155

Really doubt there's a batch difference there, Logitech isn't going to mess with that well though out design by Jerry Harvey. These really were never that recessed in the mids, FX700 are more recessed and yet it's usually justified.

 

Sonic memory isn't a good thing to go by. Things are also very relative to your gear at the time, songs and other small factors so it's hard to exactly say unless you had that old pair to compare (even then a blind test will be needed).


Edited by Inks - 11/29/11 at 6:29pm
post #68 of 155

@ericp10, I have no advice either way.  I do want to say that not only was your OP a very interesting read but it is also a window into my world.  I have similar debates all the time.

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So now I'm convinced that either I had a pair of faulty TF10s (before Logitech) in the mids, or the new company adjust the mids somewhat. No way are these the same recessed mids I originally heard over two to three years ago. And while the bass is still nice, it's not as strong as the bass back then. With that said, I'm liking these TF10s better. Do they blow away my other BAs? No, not at this point, but this UE has a unique sound sig all of its own. Biggest difference? The TF10 seem to be a tad to a lot colder in sound than my other BAs. Not a bad thing to me. More listening is required.


i just got mine, and the mids to me sounded fine as well, nothing like the recessed mids on the cc51s, and i didn't know that could be attributed them changing its sound sig

 

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Really doubt there's a batch difference there, Logitech isn't going to mess with that well though out design by Jerry Harvey. These really were never that recessed in the mids, FX700 are more recessed and yet it's usually justified.

 

Sonic memory isn't a good thing to go by. Things are also very relative to your gear at the time, songs and other small factors so it's hard to exactly say unless you had that old pair to compare (even then a blind test will be needed).



That may be true about sonic memory, but I have notes here jotting down what I was hearing (during my limited experience I might add) with the TF10 at time. I kept notes because I was really trying to decide if I wanted to sell them. I only had these, the SE530 and the Ety H5 at the time (my first three IEMs). All my notes are consistent in hearing quite recessed mids in the UE. My notes are consistent with my thoughts now about the H5 and the SE530. So I won't debate the point further, but I'm quite sure my notes + memory don't lie. Regardless, these sound much better to me (especially in the mids). Now I can't say if I remember them being so cold sounding back then, but at that time I hadn't had enough experience with IEMs to determine cold versus warm versus transparent versus veiled versus wide soundstage versus narrow headstage, etc.

post #71 of 155
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Really, if your go back a few years on the TF10 thread (I don't know how you would find it easy), that's all I really went on and on about regarding the TF10...how recessed the mids were... It was my biggest gripe...

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@ericp10, I have no advice either way.  I do want to say that not only was your OP a very interesting read but it is also a window into my world.  I have similar debates all the time.



You understand my pain @ SoulSyde? lol...Glad I'm not alone....beerchug.gif

post #73 of 155

Sonic memory doesn't lie, it's just not precise regardless of note taking unless you had the dbs measured. Writting down "recessed mids" is far too broad after comparing them to IEMs you no longer have. It could be that your previous UE had some clogging, but I find it very problematic to think Logitech has changed the TF10, there really isn't any proof and it would've easily been made public. 


Edited by Inks - 11/29/11 at 6:51pm
post #74 of 155
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Sonic memory doesn't lie, it's just not precise regardless of note taking unless you had the dbs measured. Writting down "recessed mids" is far too broad after comparing them to IEMs you no longer have. It could be that your previous UE had some clogging, but I find it very problematic to think Logitech has changed the TF10, there really isn't any proof and it would've easily been made public. 



Well I don't know how easily it would have been made public, but it's neither here or there. My whole point is that these mids are waaaaay difference than I remember hearing them (and that my notes bear out). So, of course, I'm not saying I know for a fact that the mids have been changed. I did leave the possibility that I had a "faulty" IEM. My whole point is that these aren't the same mids I heard in my previous TF10.

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Doing a quick comparison with some popular 'phones...the TF10 mids are more forward than that of the ATH-M50 which is know to be somewhat recessed; to what degree depends on who you ask. Slightly less forward than that of the Turbine Coppers. More forward than the EX600s. Although the latter might be a case of the EX600's sort of semi-circular soundstage in front of you.

 

Brief comparison with the same track, didn't use the same tips for each 'phone, etc. so take with a grain of salt. Not scientific by any stretch. I find the mids of the TF10s to be pretty darn good, especially after all the "recessed" talk had me fearing the worst.

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