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post #286 of 1074
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i'll take a look at that and see what people have to say. Would definitely be an easy solution.

 

 

 

I don't understand how price is not a factor...

 

Both the Mjolnir and the GS-X have preamps + headphone amps, except GS-x is $1,750 more.

 

I think you should pick the Mjolnir, because the differences between these amps will be subtle and too hard to determine which your prefer w/o actually auditioning.  Your risk of buyer's remorse is the same, but your sunk costs w/ the Mjolnir will be less incase you wanted to resell it/keep it.

 

2nd I'd only consider the GSX if I had multiple other headphones that I wanted to use it with, as this amp is more versatile.

 

3rd I'd still be hesitant to buy the GS-X because I think the Bryston BHA is equally as versatile, has just as strong reviews, and is over a grand cheaper.  Also I could buy a used WA22 and a Mjolnir for the price of that used GS-X, which would also be much more versatile.


Edited by rrahman - 2/14/13 at 10:36pm
post #287 of 1074

The Mjolnir and GS-X couldn't sound more different.  While the Mjolnir is good, it's really aggressive and top tilted.  The GS-X is more polite with a better balance tonally.

 

For your needs though, neither is a 'good' buy.  Until my new GS-X lands, the Burson Soloist I have now is much better top to bottom than the Mjolnir and GS-1 I had.  It's not even close.

 

If the new GS-X lands on my doorstep and blow the doors off, I'll eat crow but last year... the Burson was tops for me.  The WA22 is an expensive, less capable B22.  Just buy a B22 ;)  The BHA-1 isn't well thought out.  Gain choices of high and really high.  Balanced by using a unity gain discrete inverter, no RCA output for the pre.  Low power unless balanced, AC coupled etc.  Has it's fans though.

post #288 of 1074
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The Mjolnir and GS-X couldn't sound more different.  While the Mjolnir is good, it's really aggressive and top tilted.  The GS-X is more polite with a better balance tonally.

 

For your needs though, neither is a 'good' buy.  Until my new GS-X lands, the Burson Soloist I have now is much better top to bottom than the Mjolnir and GS-1 I had.  It's not even close.

 

If the new GS-X lands on my doorstep and blow the doors off, I'll eat crow but last year... the Burson was tops for me.  The WA22 is an expensive, less capable B22.  Just buy a B22 ;)  The BHA-1 isn't well thought out.  Gain choices of high and really high.  Balanced by using a unity gain discrete inverter, no RCA output for the pre.  Low power unless balanced, AC coupled etc.  Has it's fans though.

 

GS-X "couldn't sound more different" than Mjolnir.  Soloist "not even close" to the Mjolnir.  These sound like exaggeration to me.

 

I agree the Mjolnir is aggressive and top tilted, but IMO this is splitting hairs with the soloist and GS-X.

post #289 of 1074

Everyone's ability to hear is different and that's how I heard it.  The WA22>B22>Soloist are similar tonally but the technical ability scales up from WA22 to Soloist.

 

But if the differences are splitting hairs to you, why opt for the expensive ones?

post #290 of 1074
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Everyone's ability to hear is different and that's how I heard it.  The WA22>B22>Soloist are similar tonally but the technical ability scales up from WA22 to Soloist.

 

But if the differences are splitting hairs to you, why opt for the expensive ones?

 

The WA22 was designed before the advent of the planar magnetic boom that Audez'e and Hifiman brought into this market, so perhaps it works better with the likes of HD800. I heard the HD800 scales really well in a fully balanced setup.

post #291 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Appless View Post

Looking to buy a DAC and amp for LCD-3's. Have roughly 1800 to spend give or take. After reading this thread and a few more it seems like the Gungnir and Mjolnir are the best bet for my budget. 

I was wondering though, are there any all in one DAC/amp's that would be a better choice? Something like a Burson Conductor?


What would you describe their sound signature like?

 

 

If the LCD-3 is your only headphone and your choice is only between these two amps.  IMO - I would go MJ and a better DAC ie..  NAD M51, PWD2 or something other than the Gungnir.

 

If you plan on having a variety of headphones both low impedance and high impedance I would say the GS-X would be a better choice.  Still, a good DAC would be preferred.

post #292 of 1074

Going from one to the other, tubes used would alter this some...

 

WA22 to B22.. staging gets better, otherwise stand ins for each other using LCD

B22 to Soloist... clarity, focus, staging and bass depth improve otherwise similar

 

I would add that the Soloist is the only amp I've had that make the HD800 not only competitive with the LCD line but preferable.  Previous attempts on the B22 and Peak were not worth holding on to.

post #293 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Going from one to the other, tubes used would alter this some...

 

WA22 to B22.. staging gets better, otherwise stand ins for each other using LCD

B22 to Soloist... clarity, focus, staging and bass depth improve otherwise similar

 

I would add that the Soloist is the only amp I've had that make the HD800 not only competitive with the LCD line but preferable.  Previous attempts on the B22 and Peak were not worth holding on to.

 

Different HD800s may be the cause as well.

post #294 of 1074
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

If the LCD-3 is your only headphone and your choice is only between these two amps.  IMO - I would go MJ and a better DAC ie..  NAD M51, PWD2 or something other than the Gungnir.

 

If you plan on having a variety of headphones both low impedance and high impedance I would say the GS-X would be a better choice.  Still, a good DAC would be preferred.

Whats wrong with the gungnir? You would prefer a different dac paired with the mj? I thought they were a match made in heaven..

post #295 of 1074
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Whats wrong with the gungnir? You would prefer a different dac paired with the mj? I thought they were a match made in heaven..

 

Nothing is wrong with the gungnirbiggrin.gif

 

There're other / better DACs out there - some at a higher cost and some not.  IMO don't be tied down to the gungnir just because it's made by Schiit.  

 

At an even lower cost I would go with the XDA-2.  Of course it dosn't match esthetic (looks) wise, but if cost is an object - you get more for less.


Edited by preproman - 2/15/13 at 7:40am
post #296 of 1074
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Different HD800s may be the cause as well.

 

Could be.  The difference is drastic.  Will know soon enough when either the B22 or GS-X land.

post #297 of 1074

The Mjolnir / Gungnir is indeed extremely good - it´s just that when you listen to Gungnir with other amps (and other DACs with the Mjolnir) - it is pretty obvious that the Gungnir is a bit "coarse". I would compare the Gungnir to e.g. Hegel´s HD10 DAC. The latter has received accolades some time back. 

post #298 of 1074

Mojo/Gungir any good for the LCD-3?

post #299 of 1074
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Mojo/Gungir any good for the LCD-3?

 

 

Of course it is.  However, IMO DAC wise you can do better.  Amp wise it's pretty good.

post #300 of 1074

The said stack is perfect for both LCD-3 and LCD-2. Of the LCD-2 r1 and r2, I love the r1 with the Mjolnir / Gungnir. 

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