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post #1036 of 1074

If the LCD3 F sounds dark to you and the WA 22 has to much noise, you may want to think about the Stax SR009 and HeadAmp Blue Hawaii. If I was starting from scratch with 10K or better to spend I would give them a serious look.  

 

Re WA22 - A Woo amp with stock tubes and a Woo Amp properly tubed sound very different.  I had a WA2 and changed the tubes to Western Electric and Telefunfen tubes and the change in sound was dramatic.

 

Re Apex Teton - This is a single end amp.  Pinnacle is balanced. If I were spending 5K on phones I would want a balanced amp. 

 

Re Eddie Current 445 - I would love to listen to this amp. I have thought about buying one myself. My concern is finding a matched quad of high end audio tubes.  That may sound trivial but having gone through the tube drill several times before (most recently with Ken Rad VT231s) it is not easy. I am leaning more toward the Balancing Act because the tubes will be easier to sort.  For myself I think I need two amps one tube, one digital.  I plan on buying a Schiit Ragnarok when it become available and that will be what I listen to 90% of the time, but I do miss the sound of a tube power amp.  An Eddie Current Balancing Act with a little Sonny Landreth and a glass of Innis and Gunn and I am good to go.  Not to everyones taste but it works for me.

post #1037 of 1074
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


re wa22, get the VT231 driver tubes for best transparency, and the TS5998/chatham2399 power tubes for subbass (or TS7236 if you prefer very tight and fast bass that is less impactful). Best pairing for the LCD3 imo. Probably looking at $250 extra for both pairs via eBay or the sale forum here.

 

 

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TS5998/VT231(Ken Rad) would be my choice as well.


I have a WA22 coming for my Audeze LCD-3.

 

So TS5998/VT231 for Driver and Power. What about the Rectifier?

 

I want something really tubey and darker the better.

post #1038 of 1074

To be honest I have not found a difference in sound that was significant from changing rectifier tubes.  Maybe others have a different experience.

post #1039 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Bellasperson View Post
 

If the LCD3 F sounds dark to you and the WA 22 has to much noise, you may want to think about the Stax SR009 and HeadAmp Blue Hawaii. If I was starting from scratch with 10K or better to spend I would give them a serious look.  

 

Re WA22 - A Woo amp with stock tubes and a Woo Amp properly tubed sound very different.  I had a WA2 and changed the tubes to Western Electric and Telefunfen tubes and the change in sound was dramatic.

 

Re Apex Teton - This is a single end amp.  Pinnacle is balanced. If I were spending 5K on phones I would want a balanced amp. 

 

Re Eddie Current 445 - I would love to listen to this amp. I have thought about buying one myself. My concern is finding a matched quad of high end audio tubes.  That may sound trivial but having gone through the tube drill several times before (most recently with Ken Rad VT231s) it is not easy. I am leaning more toward the Balancing Act because the tubes will be easier to sort.  For myself I think I need two amps one tube, one digital.  I plan on buying a Schiit Ragnarok when it become available and that will be what I listen to 90% of the time, but I do miss the sound of a tube power amp.  An Eddie Current Balancing Act with a little Sonny Landreth and a glass of Innis and Gunn and I am good to go.  Not to everyones taste but it works for me.

 

I'm not sure, I haven't t audition the hd-800 and stax 009 yet. No where in Australia has a 009 for demo, is there anywhere on the west coast of the US or in Canada or maybe even NY that I can audition these? I would love to test the EC 445 beside the GSX DACT, just don't think the stax009 will be as forgiving as the Abyss. And given most modern recordings aren't exactly masterpieces...

 

Haha, the Ragnarok looks interesting, but I'll wait until the hype dies down to see how they measure up.

 

What DACs would you recommend??

post #1040 of 1074
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I'm not sure, I haven't t audition the hd-800 and stax 009 yet. No where in Australia has a 009 for demo, is there anywhere on the west coast of the US or in Canada or maybe even NY that I can audition these? I would love to test the EC 445 beside the GSX DACT, just don't think the stax009 will be as forgiving as the Abyss. And given most modern recordings aren't exactly masterpieces...

 

Haha, the Ragnarok looks interesting, but I'll wait until the hype dies down to see how they measure up.

 

What DACs would you recommend??

Tivoli Hi-Fi in Melbourne has the 009 for audition.

post #1041 of 1074
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Tivoli Hi-Fi in Melbourne has the 009 for audition.


Damnit, I didn't know this. I was so determined to hear the Burson Conductor and LCD-3, I went to addicted to audio, I didn't know they would have the 009!..

 

Ahwell, I don't think I'd like it, neutral isn't really my thing.

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Damnit, I didn't know this. I was so determined to hear the Burson Conductor and LCD-3, I went to addicted to audio, I didn't know they would have the 009!..

 

Ahwell, I don't think I'd like it, neutral isn't really my thing.

I'd still give them a listen :P It is free after all. You may not like the sound in general, but you may find certain aspects of the sound you would like your set up to emulate.

 

With regards to DACs, go with NAD M51 if you want a tried and true DAC ~$1,500 range, otherwise you can join me with the X-Sabre, which is a replacement for my M51. However, getting the amping right on the LCD-3 is going to yield very nice results unless you're running some "gaming" sound card. 

post #1043 of 1074
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I have a WA22 coming for my Audeze LCD-3.

 

So TS5998/VT231 for Driver and Power. What about the Rectifier?

 

I want something really tubey and darker the better.

 

I also agree the rectifier gave me the least discernable change.  I've tried a few and I "think" I like the USAF596 best with the sophia princess not too far from it, but it is way less conclusive that the power/driver tubes change.  Also, between the two, power tubes will give you most immediate benefits.

post #1044 of 1074
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I also agree the rectifier gave me the least discernable change.  I've tried a few and I "think" I like the USAF596 best with the sophia princess not too far from it, but it is way less conclusive that the power/driver tubes change.  Also, between the two, power tubes will give you most immediate benefits.

That was very useful. Thanks.

So I'm very new to this. Is the rectifier the large one in the middle on the WA22?
Which ones are the power and drive tubes? I guess the manual will say.
post #1045 of 1074
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That was very useful. Thanks.

So I'm very new to this. Is the rectifier the large one in the middle on the WA22?
Which ones are the power and drive tubes? I guess the manual will say.

 

Yes, the one in the centre is the rectifier, next to it are the driver tubes, and power tubes on the outermost. When I started I learned a lot from @adhoc's excellent tube FAQ (and the 6SN7 threads in his sig) when I started.  Also check out @Dubstep Girl's rectifier guide and there is also a long 6AS7g power tube thread.  And of course you can fire questions away in the Woo Owner Unite thread!

 

Looking forward to see how you find your LCD3 with the HA1 standalone and with it paired to the WA22 with various tubes.

post #1046 of 1074
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post
 

 

Yes, the one in the centre is the rectifier, next to it are the driver tubes, and power tubes on the outermost. When I started I learned a lot from @adhoc's excellent tube FAQ (and the 6SN7 threads in his sig) when I started.  Also check out @Dubstep Girl's rectifier guide and there is also a long 6AS7g power tube thread.  And of course you can fire questions away in the Woo Owner Unite thread!

 

Looking forward to see how you find your LCD3 with the HA1 standalone and with it paired to the WA22 with various tubes.

 

What a lot of help and information. Thank you so very much.

So new to this and these forums have been such a great help.

 

Appreciated. :gs1000smile:

post #1047 of 1074
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post
 

 

 


I have a WA22 coming for my Audeze LCD-3.

 

So TS5998/VT231 for Driver and Power. What about the Rectifier?

 

I want something really tubey and darker the better.

 

I personally did not care for the VT231's, especially the Ken-Rads, but just personal opinion.  I found them to bright for my taste.  For an affordable rectifier that is tube sounding, go with a Mullard GZ32/CV593 (around $65-75).  It has a sound signature similar to a U52 with a little less airey goodness, but it will bring out more of a euphonic sound in the WA22 than the USAF-596 will.  

 

I would also recommend TSBG 6F8G's with the 5998's, the combo sound incredible using the LCD3's with any rectifier.  The TS7236 would be my option B if you can't find a good matched pair of 5998's, or want to save some money, as the 7236's are much cheaper in a matched pair.

post #1048 of 1074

I asked Dennis Had (Cary Audio Founder) to build me a balanced amp to work downstream of the Cary SLP 05.  He did, a balanced version of the IHA-1. I am using Ken Rad Vt231s in the SLP 05 and the IHA-1 with a Sophia Electric 274b rectifier in the IHA-1 and an early 1960s Amperex Holland  rectifier in the SLP 05. He used the LCD3s to tune it. How does it sound with LCD3f's? Dennis knows how to design an audio amp.   It sounds like your there.  I wish I could think of a better way to describe it.  If you own an SLP 05 and listen to headphones you owe it to yourself to hear what this sounds like. Give Dennis a call and have him build you an amp.

post #1049 of 1074

Does Dennis Had have a website that shows the IHA amp?  People noted there are all kinds of options and being an LCD3 user, obviously I am curios at the very least.

post #1050 of 1074

He does not have a website.  He occasionally sells an amp on ebay.  If you search for Inspire amps on ebay you will be able to contact him.

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