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post #931 of 1418
Just saying what I've heard. You're free to make your own judgement once you've actually heard one.

Distortion or whatever aside, the 407 is a more engaging and immediately impressive sounding headphone, no matter what volume I listened them to.

Apples vs Oranges
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/30/13 at 4:09pm
post #932 of 1418

Part of me wants to, part of me doesn't.  Afterall I wasn't immensely impressed with the LCD2 when I tried it comparing it to the HE-400.  Being let down by two high end cans might just make me want to stick with the HE-400, but maybe that's a good thing? tongue.gif

 

 

I'll have to ask to borrow a pair from someone on head-fi some time.

post #933 of 1418
I think the dynamics of the SR-407 are more in tune to your preference of the HE-400 over the LCD2. Seriously. Just don't expect the sub bass.

The ESP-950 is the HD650 of stats if I've ever heard one.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/30/13 at 4:21pm
post #934 of 1418

I've owned the 407's and found them to be a bit sterile sounding. I would have kept them but they were very uncomfortable for long listening sessions. The ear cups are designed for small ears. If you have larger ears like mine they never sit comfortably over the ears. I tried the 507 leather pads and while the leather is an improvement the size of the ear opening was just too small for me. They practically sat on my ears rather than over the ears. Just something to be aware if you are considering those.

post #935 of 1418
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They'll fall off.
 

 

They're pretty loose, then. My pair might slide a couple millimeters, but they'll stay on.

post #936 of 1418
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

I've owned the 407's and found them to be a bit sterile sounding. I would have kept them but they were very uncomfortable for long listening sessions. The ear cups are designed for small ears. If you have larger ears like mine they never sit comfortably over the ears. I tried the 507 leather pads and while the leather is an improvement the size of the ear opening was just too small for me. They practically sat on my ears rather than over the ears. Just something to be aware if you are considering those.

You probably didn't get a good seal around the ears. I don't find them sterile sounding at all. Bright? Yes. Sterile? Not at all.

They are dry sounding though, that I will give you.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/30/13 at 4:31pm
post #937 of 1418
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

I've owned the 407's and found them to be a bit sterile sounding. I would have kept them but they were very uncomfortable for long listening sessions. The ear cups are designed for small ears. If you have larger ears like mine they never sit comfortably over the ears. I tried the 507 leather pads and while the leather is an improvement the size of the ear opening was just too small for me. They practically sat on my ears rather than over the ears. Just something to be aware if you are considering those.

Same problem here with the comfort, and that's ultimately what made me sell them.

I have really small ears but the tip of the ear would still touch the insides, the normal lambda were perfect in this regard though..

post #938 of 1418

I was curious and waded through Purrin's waterfall plots comparing the 950's to STAX and Audeze headphones.

 

All of these charts are for the left side earcup.

 

Here's the 950 for reference. 

 

 

 

 

 

Now the LCD-2 Rev. 1:

 

 

 

 

The LCD-3:

 

 

 

 

And the STAX SR-007 MK2:

 

 

 

 

What surprises me the most is how much the 950's look like the STAX. The LCD-3's are up there in speed with the stats down to about 2.5k (without the drop in speed in the 6-10k range of the stats), then it gets a fair bit slower in the bass, most likely because of the stronger bass response. The LCD-2 looks like the stats (with a slightly wider 4-10k drop in speed) but with about half the speed or so down to 3k, then matches the stats.


Edited by Taowolf51 - 4/30/13 at 5:12pm
post #939 of 1418
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What if stax sr-007 sr-009 don't sound like the 407?  

Neither of 007 MK versions sound like the 407, the 007 is quite warm and to some dark sounding but retaining the traits of a stat's neutrality, speed, crisp and clarity detail retrieval. Have not heard the 009 but I think the 009 would be something similar sounding to the 507 I've heard, bright sound but more refined in many ways.

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Just saying what I've heard. You're free to make your own judgement once you've actually heard one.

Distortion or whatever aside, the 407 is a more engaging and immediately impressive sounding headphone, no matter what volume I listened them to.

Apples vs Oranges

+1, even though I don't like the new 2/3/4/507 line much, I have to agree with this.

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I think the dynamics of the SR-407 are more in tune to your preference of the HE-400 over the LCD2. Seriously. Just don't expect the sub bass.

The ESP-950 is the HD650 of stats if I've ever heard one.

+1, sound more like a 600 but more dry and bright sounding.

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You probably didn't get a good seal around the ears. I don't find them sterile sounding at all. Bright? Yes. Sterile? Not at all.

They are dry sounding though, that I will give you.

Bright sounding indeed.

post #940 of 1418
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Defective pair ?

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I don't think so. Maybe? It sounded fine for the most part. Defective maybe that higher volumes weren't as effortlessly handled like the 407, but the speed, I'm sure is an attribute of the ESP-950 itself.

 

I don't think so either.  Mine also have problems handling higher volumes.  They sound great at lower volumes, but my guess is that the diaphragm might distort a bit with the higher voltage/voltage swings at higher volumes.  I'm just speculating, but there's a reason the Stax cost a lot of money, and materials that don't distort as they handle more power are probably a good share of the extra cost.  Just keep your ESPs in their sweet spot and there's no problem.

 

And speed is a two-edge sword.  The headphone has to replicate the natural decay of the sound, otherwise it sounds sterile, dry, analytic, call it whatever you want.  What I find separates the LCD-3 from everything else I've heard (including the HE-500, LCD-2, T1, ESP, PS-1000, HD-800) is that the decay sounds so totally natural that you think you are in the recording studio hearing the music live. 

 

As another reference for how the ESPs sound, I'm actually listening to my T1s tonite (yet another attempt to fall in like with them).  The T1's sound signature is not that much different than the ESPs...  just not as pleasing.  The Beyers have better bass extension, but it isn't as clean.  The high end is a bit harsher than the Koss.  Of course, I might be hearing issues with my amp thru the T1s, but they sounded about the same with the Burson HA-160.  Bottom line, they are close, but I like the ESPs better. 

post #941 of 1418

That's scary sounding when you take a look at the T1's FR and decay plots of Purrin's.

post #942 of 1418

Just checked them out, ouch.

post #943 of 1418

I'll jump in about a few posts on the last page.

 

I think the 950s sound like stats in that they are quick, clear, delicate, and airy.  While they don't have the treble energy of the 407s being talked about, the treble is light, airy, delicate, like stats seem to do.  In some ways I think the stat sound can be on the lightish, airy side compared to real music, so "stat sound" to me can mean both good things but also a type of deviation from real music.  On both scores the 950 show their stat design to my ears.  I own many headphones of all types, including HD800, and I would never confuse the Koss with a dynamic headphone.  

 

As far as confusing the 950 with orthos / magnetic planar, I still think the 950 sound like stats, not orthos.

 

Comparing the Stax 407 to the 950, the 950 are "brighter" and that can mean a good or not so good thing, depending on your tastes and ear sensitivity.  In some ways I like the 407 better, some ways I like the 950 better, but the 950 are easier on my ears, which are sensitive to harshness.  Not saying the 407 are harsh, but can be harsher than 950 or Stax -009.  

 

I still like my LCD-3 better than all of them when considering musicality, detail, dynamics, ease of listening, bass response all wrapped together.

post #944 of 1418
Brighter? There's something that does not compute, IMO. The ESP-950 isn't bright at all. In fact, it's rolled off at the top. The ESP-950 is noticeably warmer/smoother than the 407... but ok. That it being quick. The 407 is noticeably quicker.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/1/13 at 6:03am
post #945 of 1418
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I don't think so either.  Mine also have problems handling higher volumes.  They sound great at lower volumes, but my guess is that the diaphragm might distort a bit with the higher voltage/voltage swings at higher volumes.  I'm just speculating, but there's a reason the Stax cost a lot of money, and materials that don't distort as they handle more power are probably a good share of the extra cost.  Just keep your ESPs in their sweet spot and there's no problem.

 

And speed is a two-edge sword.  The headphone has to replicate the natural decay of the sound, otherwise it sounds sterile, dry, analytic, call it whatever you want.  What I find separates the LCD-3 from everything else I've heard (including the HE-500, LCD-2, T1, ESP, PS-1000, HD-800) is that the decay sounds so totally natural that you think you are in the recording studio hearing the music live. 

 

As another reference for how the ESPs sound, I'm actually listening to my T1s tonite (yet another attempt to fall in like with them).  The T1's sound signature is not that much different than the ESPs...  just not as pleasing.  The Beyers have better bass extension, but it isn't as clean.  The high end is a bit harsher than the Koss.  Of course, I might be hearing issues with my amp thru the T1s, but they sounded about the same with the Burson HA-160.  Bottom line, they are close, but I like the ESPs better. 

 

I'd place the blame with the E.90 here.  It can swing a lot of voltage but nobody ever said it did that well or had enough current to back it up under real conditions. 


Edited by spritzer - 5/1/13 at 6:23am
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