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post #1141 of 1310
Sorry, wrong answer.
Edited by RedBull - 10/12/13 at 12:02am
post #1142 of 1310
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Is there any other headphone that has been in production anywhere near as long as the E950? Just curious.

The Koss Portapro has been around since the 80s. The Sony MDR V6 is also an old one from the 80s. Both older than the esp950.

post #1143 of 1310

I think he meant electrostats wise.

post #1144 of 1310

Well, in that case then my guess would be NO :D

post #1145 of 1310
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
 

The Koss Portapro has been around since the 80s. The Sony MDR V6 is also an old one from the 80s. Both older than the esp950.

Interesting. I didn't know how long these were around. Thanks. I can't even think of any speakers that have been around in their original form that long.


Edited by rgs9200m - 10/12/13 at 9:19am
post #1146 of 1310
Good and bad smily_headphones1.gif

Bad: they may not fix the flaw of the original product?

Good: The original owner don't have too feel they have an outdated pruduct.

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post #1147 of 1310

Hey guys, I'm looking into taking a plunge into the high end audio market around the 1k mark. I'm currently comparing these and the Hifiman HE6. I know their sound signatures defer but I was looking for some objective input. 

 

How would you say these compare to the Hifiman HE6? Is the HE6 unquestionably better in the objective categories of sound (wider soundstage, detail retrieval etc) or is it more of a subjective opinion? Also, how portable are these with the included battery pack? I figure having a small box (the driver unit) always on you at all times isn't practical, but at least an option. 

post #1148 of 1310

^^^  I would like to know this as well ^^^

post #1149 of 1310

Can we add to that *when used with a Stax amp*

post #1150 of 1310

Again, the beauty of the Koss ESP-950 is that they are still in production and relatively low-priced for a phenomenal Electrostatic setup complete with amp.

And they have a totally unlimited warranty, with absolutely no questions asked , no requirement for a sales receipt or proof of purchase

and can be used by any owner.  You will never find a better warranty!

And a simple Stax recabling or adapter makes them useable on any electrostatic amp!

post #1151 of 1310

I have a pair of 950's, as my backup electrostatic phones.

When driven by a powerful amp, IMO the HE6 sounds better in everyway.

 

On the other hand, the 950's are $500 phones (if you can find just the phones), while the HE6 is more than twice as much, so...

post #1152 of 1310
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Originally Posted by AudioCats View Post
 

I have a pair of 950's, as my backup electrostatic phones.

When driven by a powerful amp, IMO the HE6 sounds better in everyway.

 

On the other hand, the 950's are $500 phones (if you can find just the phones), while the HE6 is more than twice as much, so...

Thanks for the reply. So what do these sound better than in every way? The LCD2? HD650? HE500? Give me a somewhat rough place marker if you have done direct comparisons before. This can isn't in the battle of the flagships thread so I'm very lost with the lack of information about what kind of performance to expect from these bad boys. 

post #1153 of 1310
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

Thanks for the reply. So what do these sound better than in every way? The LCD2? HD650? HE500? Give me a somewhat rough place marker if you have done direct comparisons before. This can isn't in the battle of the flagships thread so I'm very lost with the lack of information about what kind of performance to expect from these bad boys. 

HD800, T1s and the LCD-3s as well..  Where does the 950s rank?

post #1154 of 1310

Can't say for the HE-6 as I heard them at different times, but I'd definitely and easily rank the 950 above the T1's and LCD3's (in some aspects), the HD800 is a hit and miss as that is a major whore of an headphone to amplify properly.


Edited by DefQon - 10/15/13 at 1:32am
post #1155 of 1310

I own the ESP-950s and LCD-3s, and just sold the T-1s.  The 950s' headphone/amp package is a nice deal for $600-750 .  But at least with the stock amp, it can't come close to the LCD-3 when the latter is even decently amped.  The LCD-3s provide a level of accuracy and reality to the music that the 950s simply can't deliver. 

 

The LCD-2s are a more logical competitor cost-wise to the ESP-950s, but if I didn't have the LCD-3s, I'd choose the LCD-2s over the 950s.  However, I really like the rich LCD house sound and don't mind the weight and clamp.  If you don't like that sound signature, you might prefer the Koss over the LCD-2s, particularly given the comfort issues that many people have with LCDs.

 

I like the 950s enough that I've kept them (for now) instead of the T-1s, which are harsher on the high end, though neither headphone has particularly accurate treble.  The T-1s have better low-end extension and overall oomph down low, but the relatively V-shaped sound signature was not to my liking.  I prefer the Koss' mid-range emphasis, which is why they are still here, though mostly in their case for the past several months, as I prefer the LCD-3s powered by my Odyssey Cyclops speaker amp by a very wide margin.

 

I didn't like the HD800s' high end with the power sources I demo'ed them with last year, but if somebody wanted to trade me a pair in top condition for my ESP-950s even up, I'd make that trade in a nanosecond.  I now have amps that should be able to get the best out of those Senns, and I'm thinking of giving them another try.

 

I like the ESP-950s waaay better than the HE-500s.  I've always found the HE-500s to be harsh on the high end and boomy on the low end, and I've demo'ed them in my home system and at meets. 

 

I liked the Senn 600/650s I heard at meets better than any of the HE-500s I've tried anywhere, and I think they are good competitors for the 950s.  I think that choice would come down to a bunch of factors including the chain used to drive the Senns, the perceived build quality and warranty (the Koss do not have great build quality, but they do have a better warranty), comfort and preferred sound signature.  The portability of the Koss system, and the ability to drive the amp with batteries, might also sway some folks.

 

I've also only heard the HE-6s at meets, and found them a bit harsh on the high end as well, but given how hard it is to power them adequately, my experience could say more about the upstream chain than the cans themselves.  However, given what it takes to drive the HE-6s, the cost of the amp has to be taken into account as well. That factor makes the 950s more cost-attractive in my view, but not necessarily better cans. 

 

I've never heard the 950s with a Stax amp.  I have heard the high-end Stax cans (007s and 009s) with a Blue Hawaii, and the 950s are nowhere near as good as that setup, but we shouldn't expect them to be for 1/10th the price. 

 

Again, I like the ESP-950s, but only in the <<$1K price class, where they can compete with the HD600/650 and HE-500 and win a large percentage of those battles.  They can't compete with the best in the world, nor should they be expected to. 

 

Note:  edited to add more comparisons, among other things.


Edited by Gary in MD - 10/15/13 at 6:33am
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