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post #46 of 268
11/20/11 at 11:33pm
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lol.. which is why i said damping it "more" is going backwards.
 

And as for neutrality, its a moot point considering you are running it out of the Balancing Act. Hardly a neutral amp by any means. 

Perhaps our definition of neutral might differ too which is very much in the realm of possibility. 


I don't understand how it could be going backwards? What characteristics would be negatively affected?

 

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post #47 of 268
11/20/11 at 11:41pm
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Hardly a 'bright' amp by any means. 

 

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^ Fixed?

 

Oh do enlighten me great Karnak.  wink.gif

 

Perhaps the Great Karnak is suggesting that a bright amp is a better pairing with the LCD3. Unfortunately I've already sold my Apex Peak, although the Arete should be arriving soon.


Edited by purrin - 11/20/11 at 11:43pm
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post #48 of 268
11/20/11 at 11:45pm

this brand is from my country, near to my town(20 Km.).

i used this morningbiggrin.gif
 

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You guys really should select the materials for your mods with more care, wht go for cheap toilet paper when you can enhance the sound with an intricately woven bio-cellulose matrix with an dedicated alveolar structure, here's my proposal for a high end mod for the LCD-3:

 

Revona TP



 


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post #49 of 268
11/20/11 at 11:48pm
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I don't understand how it could be going backwards? What characteristics would be negatively affected?

 



More damping behind the driver = smaller soundstage.  Sachu's saying that the ultimate ortho wouldn't need any damping and so could maybe have soundstage like a stat.  But soundstage isn't the only important thing so it's a balancing act at this point.  And one layer of tissue paper isn't going to limit the stage like a layer of dense felt does (if at all).  But I bet they sound a lot more open without any damping at all (despite probably sounding wonky, resonant and uneven in the FR, things I know you care about more than SS)


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11/20/11 at 11:48pm
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this brand is from my country, near to my town(20 Km.).

i used this morningbiggrin.gif

 

So it's definitely OK for use in Palo Alto. I wish we could get the good European stuff like toilet paper, cookies, and treats more easily here in the USA.

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post #51 of 268
11/20/11 at 11:51pm
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this brand is from my country, near to my town(20 Km.).

i used this morningbiggrin.gif
 



 



This post is worthless without pics.  Or at least a review.  How does it feel on your hiney? 

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post #52 of 268
11/20/11 at 11:56pm
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More damping behind the driver = smaller soundstage.  Sachu's saying that the ultimate ortho wouldn't need any damping and so could maybe have soundstage like a stat.  But soundstage isn't the only important thing so it's a balancing act at this point.  And one layer of tissue paper isn't going to limit the stage like a layer of dense felt does (if at all).  But I bet they sound a lot more open without any damping at all (despite probably sounding wonky, resonant and uneven in the FR, things I know you care about more than SS)

 

Ahh. I feel the TP mod increased soundstage - I am assuming because it lifted the treble up. This is probably why many r2 owners felt it had much better soundstage than the r1. Also, as you implied, if I wanted soundstage or openness, I wouldn't do 'stats either, but rather one of the following:

 

  1. Speakers
  2. K1000
  3. HD800

Edited by purrin - 11/20/11 at 11:58pm
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post #53 of 268
11/21/11 at 12:18am

^ you can't put speakers in there.. cause they are just not the same beast . The appeal of speakers has very little to do with what they have to offer in terms of soundstage over headphones to me at least. 

 

And your other suggestions, yes i've owned the K1000, but guess what, didn't own it long. It isn't an ortho. It doesn't have that tonality. It is just too strident in the upper mids and the variations in the sound quality between different pairs is enormous..

 

Maintaining the tonality, having adequate headstage, the midrange quality of the orthos, good low end response without sounding anemic is very difficult with damping. Its almost an impossibility to achieve all of these things with damping. You are compromising one or several at a time depending on whether the driver is under damped or over damped.

 

 

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post #54 of 268
11/21/11 at 1:06am
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This post is worthless without pics.  Or at least a review.  How does it feel on your hiney? 



uuuuuuhhhhmmmmm! very good and clean

 

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post #55 of 268
11/21/11 at 1:10am
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So it's definitely OK for use in Palo Alto. I wish we could get the good European stuff like toilet paper, cookies, and treats more easily here in the USA.



yes.when the euro descend and the dollar ascend.

p.s.: marv, i´m really sorry for this joke and the o.t. but the temptation is too strong

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post #56 of 268
11/21/11 at 1:56am


 

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It's kind of funny to see someone who owns a 2000 dollar ortho claiming that damping doesn't affect FR.  It really goes to show how much things have changed in orthodome in the past few years.  It's pretty cool really!  although the prices aren't that nice.  But that will change soon. 



 

 

Who said that?
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post #57 of 268
11/21/11 at 7:14am

Very interesting.  I modded my Fostex T50 orthos and dampening decreased the soundstage but tightened the bass.  In any case, glad you have modded it to your liking.  Looking forward to your review on the Arete + LCD-3 combo.  
 

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Ahh. I feel the TP mod increased soundstage - I am assuming because it lifted the treble up. This is probably why many r2 owners felt it had much better soundstage than the r1. Also, as you implied, if I wanted soundstage or openness, I wouldn't do 'stats either, but rather one of the following:

 

  1. Speakers
  2. K1000
  3. HD800


 

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post #58 of 268
11/21/11 at 7:28am
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yes.when the euro descend and the dollar ascend.

p.s.: marv, i´m really sorry for this joke and the o.t. but the temptation is too strong


Oh, no problem at all. My cohorts here love potty jokes (they usually get deleted for some reason) and I highly encourage it in all threads I start. Without potty jokes and the subversive stuff, this forum wouldn't be nearly as much fun. Most of the day-to-day content now just seems to be the same stuff re-hashed and over.

 

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Originally Posted by Purrin 

 

Ahh. I feel the TP mod increased soundstage - I am assuming because it lifted the treble up. This is probably why many r2 owners felt it had much better soundstage than the r1. Also, as you implied, if I wanted soundstage or openness, I wouldn't do 'stats either, but rather one of the following:

 

  1. Speakers
  2. K1000
  3. HD800

 

Originally Posted by WNBC View Post
 

Very interesting.  I modded my Fostex T50 orthos and dampening decreased the soundstage but tightened the bass.  In any case, glad you have modded it to your liking.  Looking forward to your review on the Arete + LCD-3 combo.  

 

Yes, first thing I will do is reverse the mods, although I hear the Arete is less bright than the Peak which worked well with the r1.

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post #59 of 268
11/21/11 at 11:44am
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Very interesting.  I modded my Fostex T50 orthos and dampening decreased the soundstage but tightened the bass.  In any case, glad you have modded it to your liking.  Looking forward to your review on the Arete + LCD-3 combo.  
 


i'm also looking forward to your thoughts contrasting the Arete and the Peak/volcano.

 

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post #60 of 268
11/21/11 at 11:45am

Never have high-end and rear-end been combined to such dramatic effect...

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