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Totally agree with this. After running a couple dozen tracks through them I noticed that they are extremely forgiving and not as transparent as other headphones. They are colored and the bass still remains a bit atonal. Even with these major deficiencies the LCD-3TP is a vast improvement over the stock LCD-3. The pads are nice and comfy though!

 

The LCD-3 is a joke in stock form. Perhaps it's the seriously overpriced quality controlled stock sound, perhaps it's the atonal bass, perhaps it's the severely recessed mids....I don't know. I seriously don't understand the praise this headphone is getting. It seriously puzzles me. Could it be that my hearing is that bad/amazing that you guys are hearing things that I am not?! The TP'd version barely...barely managed to resolve certain distortions in some recordings. In stock form, there was no distortion!

 

For a TOTL headphone, the LCD-3 is a serious fail for me.

 

Sorry to hear that. If LCD3 is a very expensive joke for you, then my advice is to just get rid of it. You'd better off sell it in the second hand forum than return it to Audeze. Everyone hears differently and there is no need to be upset/happy about it.beerchug.gif
 

 

post #107 of 275

Haha, this is funny.

 

I've been using tissue paper to damped my phones for a while, and recently used 2 ply folded in twice to dampen the treble on my SJ5...

Kind of amused that the same has been done for headphones 10x as expensive :P

 

Though maybe since I'm not using Option+ instead of Kirkland I actually get more perceivable bass with less of the super sharp treble!

post #108 of 275
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Sorry to hear that. If LCD3 is a very expensive joke for you, then my advice is to just get rid of it. You'd better off sell it in the second hand forum than return it to Audeze. Everyone hears differently and there is no need to be upset/happy about it.
 

 


People with undamaged hearing don't hear THAT differently... Also, there's definitely a good reason to be upset about spending $2K for this, and then having to "get rid of it" because it's so far from neutrality and transparency. Mucking around with the damping trying to fix the problems with the sound may be amusing but it's nutty, and unloading them on another victim doesn't seem very nice.
 


Edited by visualguy - 11/23/11 at 8:29pm
post #109 of 275

 

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I've been using tissue paper to damped my phones for a while, and recently used 2 ply folded in twice to dampen the treble on my SJ5...

 

THIS ^^^^.  Nothing to be sneezed at......

post #110 of 275
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People with undamaged hearing don't hear THAT differently... Also, there's definitely a good reason to be upset about spending $2K for this, and then having to "get rid of it" because it's so far from neutrality and transparency. Mucking around with the damping trying to fix the problems with the sound may be amusing but it's nutty, and unloading them on another victim doesn't seem very nice.
 


Well then, what do you suggest? One of us should have a thorough hearing check up?eek.gif

 

post #111 of 275
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Well then, what do you suggest? One of us should have a thorough hearing check up?eek.gif

 


No rush to do that... I think the difference may be in the type of music that we listen to, not in our hearing.

 

I can suggest some good recordings of classical music that you can listen to on your HE-6 and LCD-3. If you find that you get the fully detailed sound of the acoustic instruments on your LCD-3 like you do on your HE-6, then it may be time for that hearing test (no offense) because I can't imagine why the difference in the level of detail and nuance wouldn't be obvious to you pretty much right away. The HE-6 (unlike the LCD-3) are quite good in this area, although there's even better out there.

 

post #112 of 275
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No rush to do that... I think the difference may be in the type of music that we listen to, not in our hearing.

 

I can suggest some good recordings of classical music that you can listen to on your HE-6 and LCD-3. If you find that you get the fully detailed sound of the acoustic instruments on your LCD-3 like you do on your HE-6, then it may be time for that hearing test (no offense) because I can't imagine why the difference in the level of detail and nuance wouldn't be obvious to you pretty much right away. The HE-6 (unlike the LCD-3) are quite good in this area, although there's even better out there.

 



Well, I do most of the time listen only to very well recorded classical music, from chamber music to symphony, and go to concert regularly. So I'm pretty sure it is not the music type thing. For that hearing test thing, the feeling is mutual. We should both do itbeerchug.gif, it is good for us headphone listeners to do regular hearing check anyway. I myself is a doctor and neurologist, so I can do it any minutebasshead.gif.

 

Put the jokes aside, the only reason I can think of, is although we hear the same, we see music differently and our criteria of good SQ is very different. There is no point to prove who is right or wrong. Foot note, I do love my HE6 very much, and as good as LCD3 is to me, the HE6 can not be replaced.


Edited by Jian - 11/23/11 at 10:40pm
post #113 of 275

I hope there aren't questions about LFF's hearing.  He can hear a snail fart.  I've seen him do doubletakes!

post #114 of 275
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I hope there aren't questions about LFF's hearing.  He can hear a snail fart.  I've seen him do doubletakes!


The LCD3 ToiletPants will be making the rounds soon on my special loaner program. You get them next. Then RD and CT.

 

post #115 of 275
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Put the jokes aside, the only reason I can think of, is although we hear the same, we see music differently and our criteria of good SQ is very different. There is no point to prove who is right or wrong. Foot note, I do love my HE6 very much, and as good as LCD3 is to me, the HE6 can not be replaced.


The LCD-3 smoothes or glosses over the fine details of the sound - same problem that the LCD-2r1 had. The LCD-2r2 actually fixed this quite a bit, but for some reason Audeze decided to make the LCD-3 an evolution of the r1 rather than r2 - don't know why, and it doesn't make sense to me. Maybe they just wanted to make their differentiation from the HE-6 stronger, or maybe that's just how their new driver ended up sounding and they're stuck with it. Regardless, I don't see how you can like the LCD-3 on classical (especially if you have experience with the HE-6 which are much better although not the best), but I guess this mystery will just have to remain unsolved.

 


Edited by visualguy - 11/23/11 at 11:17pm
post #116 of 275

Visual Guy and LFF, would be interesting if you both got your LCD-3's measured by someone (Purrin?).  Just to confirm or eliminate variation as the cause of your dissatisfaction wink.gif

post #117 of 275

a good song for this thread.

enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h66LufFRbWM

post #118 of 275
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Visual Guy and LFF, would be interesting if you both got your LCD-3's measured by someone (Purrin?).  Just to confirm or eliminate variation as the cause of your dissatisfaction wink.gif


The anedoctal evidence is good enough for me. There doesn't seem to be any disagreement that the LCD3 has more of the r1 sound

 

I'll will be posting the effects of other materials later - maybe.

 

post #119 of 275

This thread is awesome! popcorn.gif Subscribed

post #120 of 275
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Visual Guy and LFF, would be interesting if you both got your LCD-3's measured by someone (Purrin?).  Just to confirm or eliminate variation as the cause of your dissatisfaction wink.gif



LFF, myself and purrin have heard the same 2 sets of LCD3's and purrin has heard a third set as well.  

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