Sony headphones..Some consolation? - Page 3

for cleanliness.. cleanup the 'mouthing' splatter.

original poster has spoken, see to it that we pay attention where attention is due.

 

going from sony (and having no idea how those headphones sound) to those vmoda ear buds..

i say the same thing for every ear bud, i am willing to try them because of two reasons:

1. i am fascinated, yet firmly believe those smaller headphones can produce subwoofer-sized bass and audiophile quality

2. they are portable to go places and one of my favorite places would be laying down sideways on a pillow with my head shoving the ear bud into my ear while i lay down to fall asleep.

i've done some 'extra' amounts of listening while laying in bed, and being able to repeat it is wanted.

but you wont see my laying on my side with full-sized headphones.

 

i cant find any frequency response charts or distortion graphs or any such 'product' of information to say anything either way.

i know $40 isnt much for some ear buds, but since when do department stores stop carrying serious suprises for less than $100 ??

 

how low do those ear buds go?

my headphones belch out 20hz with lots of dB .. but not much amplitude.

 

for those of you 'new' to things..

dB is 'generally' known as decibel.

but

studio's will tell you dB is actually two letters with a meaning for each letter.

d = dull

B = bias

 

bassheads love dB because the bass sounds like it is coming from a huge woofer.

it really takes a scenario that is setup correctly to show a proper difference.

i've heard low bass from a speaker as small as 4 inches that any consumer can buy (from altec lansing computer speakers)

the bass coming from one of those small speakers (4 or 5 inches) compared to the bass coming from a 12 inch woofer.. the VAS is different, and you cant really go talking about 'scaled size' and expect the final judgement to remain competant.

more BL and the excursion to put the BL to good use and the speaker has the potential to reveal dB.

 

dull bias is when you've got this bass that is so rich and dark and low that it almost reminds you of total darkness.

you've got the typical 'blood clot' darkness that you can find from subs in the trunk of a vehicle.

then you've got the 'dark alley' shade.

i also like to think of the dullness as a puddle of dark oil, compared to anything lighter. and i think this is the best place to talk about the bass bassheads enjoy. it is that serious dark black oil that is far away from the loud and brown.

it doesnt have to be forceful to be really dull.

they call it bias because the puddle moves back and forth.

and if you really crank up the amplitude, that puddle can swell up the room with pressure.. and it can also suck up pressure like a vacuum.

 

so when you go talking about headphones that get deep.. also think about the 'color' of the bass.

darkness is always a desire in audio because it is the closest thing to 'space'

because 'dark space' is where all of the artificial reality takes place.

kinda like empty dark space for 3d graphics without any shapes or lights.

 

the brand name design on those ear buds looks stylish.

i think it is sporty, yet holds onto something more responsible than the typical teenager 'sporty' that you can find from any 'cheerleader' brand name.

after 1,163 reviews.. it still has 4 out of 5 stars.

that is twice the number of reviews my headphones got, but with the 500 reviews i got.. the review is still 5 out of 5 stars.

 

judging the artistic appearance and the price..

i would say they are worth a try and i would expect some seriousness from the results.

amazon shows a picture of the wires fraying and needing repair because the copper cannot handle being bent back and forth.

if they saved money there.. it would be interesting to note if that money saved was used to make the speakers sound better.

 

good questions..

do those speakers require a very weak copper to sound their very best?

does the copper really sound better, and that is why it is weak?

can you solder on a new cord and keep the sound, or make the sound better?

is the original cord not oxygen free, and that is why it is tearing itself apart?

can you touch the solder without changing the sound signature?

 

if they dont sound 'actually' good.. then they've got nothing going for them except a stylish design and a bunch of trashy crap that comes standard with mp3 players.

 

i remember when you could go out there and get a generic portable cd player that sounded better than the expensive ones, and it would read a scratched disc much better too.

 

were you offering a review or simply asking what we could make of them ear buds?

 

Mercuttio: he did say they'd look stupid, which suddenly makes me think of a RS1 being dressed up in ugly colours. Fwiw, I'd recommend the "Block Member" button; never found a use for it till now.

 

chillychetas: hallo there OP, didn't realise you wanted opinions on the V-Moda's. Why don't you tell us how you find them? And yeah, you paid <$10 for them, so it's hard to complain much at that price point.

And there you have it, folks.

 

This is what it looks like when you don't listen to music, and are completely willing to offer advice based on spec without any idea of what audio can be. 

 

Learn from this, don't be this. 

 

For anyone interested, here's how he ripped the RS1 apart: 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=3&graphID[]=1153&graphID[]=293

 

So here's the lesson: Buy the Sony XB500 instead of the RS1. It's apparently a much better headphone.

 

I'm starting to suspect this guy may not be all here, and I don't have any further interest in pursuing conversation with someone who cannot take stock of the reality around them. 

Edited by Mercuttio - 11/22/11 at 7:48am

your opinion about not conversating with people that cannot take stock of the reality doesnt teach other people a single thing.

sometimes people simply need to be pointed in the direction and let their passionate interest guide them down that way.

 

what i said was..

you are one that has forgotten what a square wave looks like?

you are one that has forgotten about all of those spikes adding fatigue to the sound signature?

you are one that doesnt care about the missing chunks from each soundwave?

 

the noisy spikes, the missing chunks, the higher distortion figures, and the bad frequency response.. it is going to be a pleasure to see all of those headphones down-graded.

 

i just wanted to emphasize my point about the high-resolution audio not being any tolerant to the missing chunks in the soundwaves.

the sample rate goes up and the slew rate gets higher and those missing chunks start to show their ugly face more and more.

Anyone who thinks the Sony XB500 is a "high resolution" headphone is kidding themselves. Period.

...and that is exactly when people stop listening to music and start listening to graphs. OP, who is probably scared off by now, just remember to listen to the music and not to focus on all the tiny stuff.

Guys, please stop.

Sony ZX100, $15 - $20

Panasonic RP-HTF600-S, with the Beyer EDT 200 Velour ear pads, $60 - $80

Please, please stop.

 

 

Ditto. The headphone, sadly not the drink.

 

I think some people allow their imagination to run away, with stories of mythical headphones that once were. Uniqueness + price + availability, throw in some wood and carbon fiber and you've got yourself a real fable where every audiophile is a story teller.

 

Could you have had one of the knock-off ones floating around... with the cheap Pleather ear pads?

david1978jp: but OP traded in the Sony's for V-Moda's already.

Yes, OP did.

However, reply number 2 and reply number 3 were made before OP's trade in. My point is, PANASONIC RP-HTF600 is good for $30; "recommend" it in every possible/impossible way, not cool -- it happened in so many threads already. What's the purpose? Now I'd like to know, PANASONIC RP-HTF600 is better than which $300 headphones?

 

Hmm well. I just had a guy that bought one in Australia that used to own a much more expensive beats. This guys is one of 3 I know on the thread actually that owned or owns the beats studios and or pros.  He loves his new HTF600. Likes them better.. They aren't high end cans but they are a blast to listen to music with and an easy recommend because they are much better than practically anything that is considered budget.  Play games very well and movies are as close to THX sound as you can get because of the big bass. Very comfy to boot,  If that's not worth recommending I don't know what is.

 

Edited by Dsnuts - 11/23/11 at 9:49am

The SA5k earpads were actually very nice, definitely leather. Comfort wise, apart form having a super weird and wide headband, they were pretty decent. Very light and not too warm. Mostly I'm just whining about the fact that they advertised the "magnesium design" feature, and you had silver plastic.  Never liked silver plastic. 

 

Now, a CD3k knockoff, that I'd be interested in... and probably anyone who's ever even thought about modding a headphone. I had a Headphile HP2 dealie-majig, and it used the CD3k body plus wood. Super comfy. Shame about the sound.
 

 

There are a few SA5k knock-offs or at least a slew of cheaper models in circulation, look at the pads and headband on this pair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u148pWr7I4w

 

No doubt it comes down to taste, the SA5k are very close to my perfect headphone. I would even say I initially prefer it to the HD800, they're very similar sounding yet look at how much press each headphone receives; the Sony's noticeably less because they're a Sony and because they're in the so-called mid-tear range. I think it's a common misconception among audiophiles that Sony doesn't have anything good to offer. I would consider a Sony mdr-7506 as a balanced Shure 840, once again one is constantly recommended over the other.

 

As far as the magnesium design I think that refers to only the headband. I agree the entire phone should be magnesium, then again they have to take shortcuts/price cuts over the 010.

 

The Sony CD3k I have yet to hear, the CD770 and CD1700 are however one of my favorite closed phones. I vote to bring them back!

TBH, I never really liked Sony, but I think that was due to ignorance and them being a mainstream brand, the hacking against them also ruined their image. I've heard 4 of their new headphones and they're great (EX600, EX1000, ZX700, ZX1000). I would like to invest into the SA5000 as nearly everyone who owns one say they're excellent, not to mention the amount of detail they produce.

I think Sony is a brand name that can be called alongside Sennheisher, Beyerdynamic, etc.

 

And there you have it folks!

Nothing to see here.

 

My ear pads sounds better than that