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Sony R10 or Qualia 010

post #1 of 72
Thread Starter 

 

 

I am thinking about getting the R10s (already posted a classified) but after reading some reviews and posts,i am not sure anymore

 

since drivers are not being made anymore,and i am scared of getting a pair with a busted driver or something,and for 6k i am not sure 

 

if i should take that risk or not.what do you guys think ? 

 

I am also interested in the Qualia 010,i read somewhere on here,Sony still repairs them if the drivers are damaged,and they sell for a more

 

reasonable price 4000-4500.

 

Thanks ! cool.gif

 

 

 


Edited by HamidGal - 11/16/11 at 5:47pm
post #2 of 72

I haven't heard either but I don't think any headphone is worth over a grand. Why not make do with a Sony SA5000, that's all the 010s are anyway.

post #3 of 72
Thread Starter 

Graphicism,

 

Does the SA5000s uses the same drivers as the 010s ?

 

Thanks

 

Hamid 

post #4 of 72

The prevalence of R10 drivers going pop now with no potential for back-up spares is a huge turn-off.

 

Might have something to do with the Bio-Cellulose never being designed for 20+ year operation.

 

Least Sony could of done is made a lot of spare drivers instead of abandoning their most discerning

customers in the wake of their new corporate philosophy.

post #5 of 72
Thread Starter 

What´s their new corporate philosophy ?

 

Hamid 

post #6 of 72

I would get the R10 over the Qualia but that's just me, regardless I think they are both overpriced in that range unless money is not an issue.

post #7 of 72
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Originally Posted by HamidGal View Post

What´s their new corporate philosophy ?

 

Hamid 



Smaller, quieter, lighter, cheaper - but high end? Not anymore. That's for the history books.

post #8 of 72
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Originally Posted by HamidGal View Post

Graphicism,

 

Does the SA5000s uses the same drivers as the 010s ?

 

Thanks

 

Hamid 


No but I think they're very similar. From the reviews it seems people prefer the SA5000 over the 010.

post #9 of 72

They're not really similar.  The SA5000 is a piece of crap and the Qualia is probably the 2nd best dynamic after the R10 imo.  The Qualia is the most fit dependant headphone ever...I've heard it sound very bad and very good depending on fit.

 

Qualia: huge soundstage, very fast, transparent, pinpoint imaging, very detailed, a bit bright

R10 (bass light): very large soundstage, pretty fast, transparent, very good imaging, pretty detailed, tonality much better than Qualia, amazing mids

 

 

post #10 of 72
Thread Starter 

Gwarmi:

 

Very bad news for us audiophiles frown.gif apart from the sound quality,Sony high end headphones desings are very attractive.

 

n3rdling:

 

What about the Qualia´s bass response ? 

 

Hamid 

post #11 of 72
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They're not really similar.  The SA5000 is a piece of crap and the Qualia is probably the 2nd best dynamic after the R10 imo.  The Qualia is the most fit dependant headphone ever...I've heard it sound very bad and very good depending on fit.

 


Unfortunately a large part of them sounding so good is a cognitive illusion, to say the SA5000 is crap and the 010 the best headphone in the world is purely delusional.

 

Reading older reviews before the 010s were immortalized they didn't better anything the Sony SAs did. I'm not saying they don't offer anything, simply there role today is a historic piece in a display cabinet. Further more I've seen a flood of R10s and 010s in the for sale forum with the addition of $1,000 flagships coming into the market.

 

It's a cool piece of history, but not pedestal worthy.

post #12 of 72
Thread Starter 

Would you say the same about the R10s ?

 

"It´s a cool piece of history,but not pedestal worthy" 

 

Sorry about asking so much about it,but im really intriged about them !,i am a high school student and well i don´t want to do a "bad investment" ..........

 

Thanks for all the info,

 

Hamid 

post #13 of 72
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Originally Posted by HamidGal View Post

Would you say the same about the R10s ?

 

"It´s a cool piece of history,but not pedestal worthy" 

 

Sorry about asking so much about it,but im really intriged about them !,i am a high school student and well i don´t want to do a "bad investment" ..........

 

Thanks for all the info,

 

Hamid 


Having not heard them I'm only sharing my personal uneducated opinion. Since the TOTL headphones came out these past couple years I've seen the R10 and 010s prices drop drastically. I would not consider such a phone an investment, but a luxury. Can you afford to spend thousands on a phone for it to break within a few months and unable to find a replacement part... In my opinion you can't invest in headphones because there's no saying what's around the corner.

 

If you're looking to hear a variety of expensive headphones without loosing much money, buy used. That way you can resell them without a great loss.

 

post #14 of 72
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

They're not really similar.  The SA5000 is a piece of crap and the Qualia is probably the 2nd best dynamic after the R10 imo.  The Qualia is the most fit dependant headphone ever...I've heard it sound very bad and very good depending on fit.

 

Qualia: huge soundstage, very fast, transparent, pinpoint imaging, very detailed, a bit bright

R10 (bass light): very large soundstage, pretty fast, transparent, very good imaging, pretty detailed, tonality much better than Qualia, amazing mids

 

 


 

Actually that's exactly how I would describe the SA5k. What makes you think they are a piece of crap? Can you make a brief comparison between the SA5k and the Qualia?

post #15 of 72


 

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Unfortunately a large part of them sounding so good is a cognitive illusion, to say the SA5000 is crap and the 010 the best headphone in the world is purely delusional.

 

Reading older reviews before the 010s were immortalized they didn't better anything the Sony SAs did. I'm not saying they don't offer anything, simply there role today is a historic piece in a display cabinet. Further more I've seen a flood of R10s and 010s in the for sale forum with the addition of $1,000 flagships coming into the market.

 

It's a cool piece of history, but not pedestal worthy.



I'm not infallible but I think I have a decent grip on my 'cognitive illusions'.  I pass my DBTs when there's a difference and fail when there's not.  My impressions usually fall in line with what measurements later confirm.  

 

I am only going by what I hear and not what others hear; speaking of which, have you heard both headphones in question?  Those comparisons are old which kinda helps my point about fit.  The Qualia is super super picky about fit, and this is fairly well known these days whereas the point was not as emphasized back during the time of that thread.  When I heard the Qualia with a headband too large to fit me properly, it was definitely one of the worst headphones I've heard.  It sounded like music in a cave.  

 

I certainly have not seen a flood of R10s and 010s on the market in the period you've mentioned and I've kept a very close eye out for the past three or so years.  I have not noticed any change in frequency of FS threads for either headphone during that time period actually.  Maybe you can provide us with data though.

 

As for being pedastal worthy, if any dynamic is worthy of such stature the Qualia is definitely in contention.  You will find a very high percentage of Qualia owners, past and present, that fully believe that there is no dynamic that can match it in detail, speed, clarity, and size of soundstage.  I'm inclined to put more weight towards their thoughts than yours frankly.



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Actually that's exactly how I would describe the SA5k. What makes you think they are a piece of crap? Can you make a brief comparison between the SA5k and the Qualia?



The SA5k was very shrill to my ears.  I do not like emphasized treble in most cases.  For example, I've never considered buying the HD800 or SA5k because they have an emphasis on treble but are quite grainy/harsh in that region.  The Qualia and SR Omega have an emphasis on treble but it is not bothersome to me because the quality of the treble is so pristine.  It is likely the SA5k have those characteristics I mentioned when compared to other headphones in and under the price range, but the Qualia is another ballgame.  It's all about perspective.

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