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Denon D2000, Senn HD650, or AKG 701?

post #1 of 33
11/15/11 at 10:55pm
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After doing a ton of research, I'm thoroughly confused as to which choice is the best.

 

I'll be upgrading up from the Senn 595, which I loved but found to be lacking in the bass department (I'm no basshead, but I do like a bit of bass in my music).

 

What I'm looking for is a set of cans that will engage me, something fun, so I'm leaning towards the d2000's. But also I hear that they have a rather small soundstage, and can sound a little muddy in the mid to high ranges. Which is where the akg shines, but still I find a lot of people gripe about them too.

 

I guess in the end there will always be the negative group lol. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Even if they aren't of these three in the ~$350 range

 

My top music genres are:

1. Rock/metal

2. Techno (quite a variety of genres, not particularly keen to just one)

3. Classic

 

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post #2 of 33
11/15/11 at 11:06pm

In Short the D2000s are bass-heavy but fun, the HD650 are neutral but very warm overall, and the 701s are bass-shy although quite neutral and resolving throughout.

 
I just responded to another thread with these same recommendations:
 
Beyerdynamic DT880
sennheiser HD600
Sony SA5000
 
All neutral, good all-rounders with decent bass impact. They do however benefit from a dedicated headphone amp which is something to consider.
 
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post #3 of 33
11/15/11 at 11:17pm

The D2000s have a considerable more amount of bass compared to the 595s.  It might be too much for you if you've grown accustomed to the 595s, but it's always fun nonetheless.  The midrange clarity of the D2000 is a bit better than the 595, and its soundstage is big for a closed headphone, but not quite along the lines of the 595.  

 

Do look into Sennheiser's 600 line or Beyer's 880/990 if you still intend on keeping an open headphone but want more bass.  The 650 is a very nice headphone, and among the most natural I've personally heard.  Keep in mind when you start delving into cans like the 880/990, 600/650 and D2000, you're going to want to get a dedicated headphone amplifier too, as all benefit from one.  So your cost would be for the headphones and amp/dac.

 

I have not heard the 701 so I can't comment on it.


Edited by TMRaven - 11/15/11 at 11:20pm
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post #4 of 33
11/15/11 at 11:28pm

i recommend the hd 650s out of that list. wish i could review the d2000 soon to help ppl out.

 

anyways heres my thread i made, this should help you out a bit.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/576061/comparison-of-4-popular-cans-in-the-275-350-range-k701-hd650-dt990-600ohm-sr325is/60#post_7890352

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post #5 of 33
11/15/11 at 11:32pm

Heya,

 

Based on your genres, the following comes to mind. *'s represent low to high amounts of extra bass to distinguish between neutral/bassy and just how bassy we're talking.

 

Bassy:

 

HD650 **

DT990 ***

FA-011 *

HTF600 ****

D2000 *

 

Neutral:

 

HD600

DT880

HE-300

FA-003

AD900

SRH840

SR60i

 

If you can stand on-ear, I'd suggest trying a Grado SR60i with L-cush pads. Otherwise, I would put you on something like the FA-011 if you can be patient for it to ship. After that, the HE-300 or HD600.

 

Very best,

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post #6 of 33
11/16/11 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

Heya,

 

Based on your genres, the following comes to mind. *'s represent low to high amounts of extra bass to distinguish between neutral/bassy and just how bassy we're talking.

 

Bassy:

 

HD650 **

DT990 ***

FA-011 *

HTF600 ****

D2000 *

 

Neutral:

 

HD600

DT880

HE-300

FA-003

AD900

SRH840

SR60i

 

If you can stand on-ear, I'd suggest trying a Grado SR60i with L-cush pads. Otherwise, I would put you on something like the FA-011 if you can be patient for it to ship. After that, the HE-300 or HD600.

 

Very best,

 

sr-60s have no bass though :(

 

he wouldn't like them much

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post #7 of 33
11/16/11 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

sr-60s have no bass though :(

 

he wouldn't like them much

 

Ok, first, they're listed in the neutral column, not the bassy column.


Second, yes they do have bass--good bass even. Even for a basshead like me, I thought the SR60i's with Lcush pads did enough bass to satisfy me considering it was being used for more than just pure-bass-music.

 

SR60's have more bass than AD700/K701/SRH940. So don't say "no bass" like it's in that league of basslessness. It's not. The SR60's have pretty neutral bass, it doesn't stick out like crazy, but it's there and very impactful.

 

Remember what OP wants:

 

Quote:
(I'm no basshead, but I do like a bit of bass in my music).

 

He listens to rock/classic and some techno.

 

Very best,

 


Edited by MalVeauX - 11/16/11 at 12:27am
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post #8 of 33
11/16/11 at 12:35am
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the info and replies everyone!

 

I should mention that I do not have the money for a great amp (certainly not anything over $200 after buying the headphones)

 

It's all so confusing @.@ I like what I hear about the d2000's being fun. But I have a feeling that I'll be missing the clarity of the hd650's. When it comes down to it I guess I wont really know until I pull the trigger unfortunately

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post #9 of 33
11/16/11 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

 

Ok, first, they're listed in the neutral column, not the bassy column.


Second, yes they do have bass--good bass even. Even for a basshead like me, I thought the SR60i's with Lcush pads did enough bass to satisfy me considering it was being used for more than just pure-bass-music.

 

SR60's have more bass than AD700/K701/SRH940. So don't say "no bass" like it's in that league of basslessness. It's not. The SR60's have pretty neutral bass, it doesn't stick out like crazy, but it's there and very impactful.

 

Remember what OP wants:

 

 

He listens to rock/classic and some techno.

 

Very best,

 


k701 has more bass with good amp. and definitely punchy. and grados have no soundstage so they phail for classical

 



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Originally Posted by militia890 View Post

Thanks for all the info and replies everyone!

 

I should mention that I do not have the money for a great amp (certainly not anything over $200 after buying the headphones)

 

It's all so confusing @.@ I like what I hear about the d2000's being fun. But I have a feeling that I'll be missing the clarity of the hd650's. When it comes down to it I guess I wont really know until I pull the trigger unfortunately


and the hd 650s wouldn't sound "as clear" to you as the d2000s, the hd 650s are darker and more laid back  than the denons.

 

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post #10 of 33
11/16/11 at 12:42am
Thread Starter 

Ah, I see. Well I guess that would mean leaning towards the d2000's. I like a laid back sound sometimes but 90% the music I'm listening too isn't what you would call mellow.

 

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post #11 of 33
11/16/11 at 12:49am

d2000 wink.gif

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post #12 of 33
11/16/11 at 12:59am

I wouldn't really like the D2000 for rock. The mids are too recessed to be enjoyable, though they might work for techno. The Beyerdynamic DT150 is a better closed headphone IMO, and the HD600 a better all-rounder.

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post #13 of 33
11/16/11 at 1:00am

May I ask what source you use? Do you have any headphone amplifier in your chain?

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post #14 of 33
11/16/11 at 1:00am
Thread Starter 

Alright, life just got a tad bit easier! Thank you very much for your help

 

One last question though. When that time comes when I do want to listen to something relaxed and slower paced, will the d2000's just fail completely for that or are they manageable?

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post #15 of 33
11/16/11 at 1:15am
Thread Starter 

Are the hd600's as laid back as the 650's? That's sort of a put off for me

 

I really have nothing special in the ways of headphone amps currently

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I cant remember it's name honestly, it wasn't something simple

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