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I have heard people describe the Sennheiser 598 as relatively bright. I currently own the Sennheiser 280 HD Pros and just received the 598s. I felt like brighter headphones will allow the vocals to pop a little more and the treble to come out a little more as well, if that makes sense. However, I feel like with certain songs, the vocals pop more with the 280 HD Pros. That's not to say they sound better because they don't, but I thought there would be more vocal projection with the 598. Am I interpreting brightness wrong or is there something wrong with my 598s?

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Originally Posted by karohan View Post

I have heard people describe the Sennheiser 598 as relatively bright. I currently own the Sennheiser 280 HD Pros and just received the 598s. I felt like brighter headphones will allow the vocals to pop a little more and the treble to come out a little more as well, if that makes sense. However, I feel like with certain songs, the vocals pop more with the 280 HD Pros. That's not to say they sound better because they don't, but I thought there would be more vocal projection with the 598. Am I interpreting brightness wrong or is there something wrong with my 598s?

As a Grado lover/owner and also owner of 598's, I naturally feel that the Senns are less bright.  Mostly I use them when, say, a remastered recording has been tweaked to be too brash or harsh sounding.  They come in handy then.  I would never call them bright, tho'.
 

 

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Thanks for your reply! Also, sometimes I feel like male vocals are more recessed than female vocals. Is that because male vocals mesh more with instrumentals in the mids section, while female voices are more distinct in the highs?

post #4 of 17

Question, how many hours of burn-in your 598's have? 

 

IMHO they have a Grado approach, relatively bright when you compare to other senn models.  

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Perhaps male vocals do get down in the mix as compared to female.  Hadn't thought about that.  You may be on to something there.  Also, don't know other Senns so I have no experience how the 598's compare with their brothers (sisters?).  My 598's prolly have close to a hundred hours on them.  It's a real pleasant headphone.

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Originally Posted by fabio-fi View Post
...relatively bright when you compare to other senn models.  


 

post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by fabio-fi View Post

Question, how many hours of burn-in your 598's have? 

 

IMHO they have a Grado approach, relatively bright when you compare to other senn models.  



I have almost no hours of burn in. I just got them, so maybe 2-3 hours max. Does burn in help with brightness though? I thought they help primarily with bass presence, but I have been pleasantly surprised with the bass (which I had reservations about upon reading reviews). And compared to my Sennheiser 280s, I don't know if they're less bright, but they seem more warm, if that makes any sense. Maybe the 598s are far brighter in comparison to the Sennheiser 600/650s?

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I have almost no hours of burn in. I just got them, so maybe 2-3 hours max. Does burn in help with brightness though? I thought they help primarily with bass presence, but I have been pleasantly surprised with the bass (which I had reservations about upon reading reviews). And compared to my Sennheiser 280s, I don't know if they're less bright, but they seem more warm, if that makes any sense. Maybe the 598s are far brighter in comparison to the Sennheiser 600/650s?



Out of the box i felt they were bright..after some hours i can notice some improvements on soundstage and bass. The 600/650, they are more dark sounding to my ears. But, if you get a decent amp for them it helps. 

post #9 of 17

No, these are hardly bright at all.

 

I need a torchlight to listen to them right

post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by karohan View Post
I have heard people describe the Sennheiser 598 as relatively bright. I currently own the Sennheiser 280 HD Pros and just received the 598s. I felt like brighter headphones will allow the vocals to pop a little more and the treble to come out a little more as well, if that makes sense. However, I feel like with certain songs, the vocals pop more with the 280 HD Pros. That's not to say they sound better because they don't, but I thought there would be more vocal projection with the 598. Am I interpreting brightness wrong or is there something wrong with my 598s?

What source(s) are you plugging the headphones into?

The HD-280s are 64-Ohm

The HD-598 are 50-Ohm

So the numbers say the 598 is easier to drive.

But I like to think a headphone amplifier brings out the best of any headphone.
 

 

 

post #11 of 17
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What source(s) are you plugging the headphones into?

The HD-280s are 64-Ohm

The HD-598 are 50-Ohm

So the numbers say the 598 is easier to drive.

But I like to think a headphone amplifier brings out the best of any headphone.
 

 

 

Actually the HD 280 is 50 ohms, I do not know why they label them as 64 ohms. I've measured ~60 HD 280 and the impedance lies between 49-55 ohms.

 

IMO, the HD 598 have enough highs, not overly ear piercing, but not recessed. Compared to other Sennheiser's quantity(NOT quality) of highs, HD 580/600>HD 598>HD 595>HD 558>HD 555>HD650. I owned all of those headphones.
 


Basically Grado fans will call it recessed, Sennheiser fans will call it bright.

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

What source(s) are you plugging the headphones into?

The HD-280s are 64-Ohm

The HD-598 are 50-Ohm

So the numbers say the 598 is easier to drive.

But I like to think a headphone amplifier brings out the best of any headphone.
 

 

 

 

 

I'm using my Macbook Pro connected to a Fiio E10 DAC/Amp combo with lossless content. 
 
post #13 of 17

The HD598 is definitely on the brighter side of neutral, but it wasn't what really bothered me. The HD598 lacked a fullness in the midrange to truly sound convincing with vocals, but it's not something easily achieved in the HD598's price bracket. I was able to achieve a much more satisfying midrange by EQing down the treble and upper midrange with a linear phase EQ. I eventually upgraded to a Stax 007, but I'm also EQing the 007 in a similar fashion.

 

I recommend you to try experimenting with a linear phase EQ to find a good balance with the vocals. However, I would not recommend using minimal phase EQs. Those distort the soundstage, pushing certain vocals/instruments forward and back.

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Originally Posted by FearSC549 View Post
Actually the HD 280 is 50 ohms, I do not know why they label them as 64 ohms. I've measured ~60 HD 280 and the impedance lies between 49-55 ohms.

IMO, the HD 598 have enough highs, not overly ear piercing, but not recessed. Compared to other Sennheiser's quantity(NOT quality) of highs, HD 580/600>HD 598>HD 595>HD 558>HD 555>HD650. I owned all of those headphones.
Basically Grado fans will call it recessed, Sennheiser fans will call it bright.


Got the 64-Ohm straight off Sennheiser USA website, but what do they know.

 

 

post #15 of 17
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I'm using my Macbook Pro connected to a Fiio E10 DAC/Amp combo with lossless content. 

Cool, my two cents are to give them 50 hours of play time, might improve the sound.
 

 

 

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