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Looking for high end phone less revealing than HD800

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi, I'm a long time head-fier who's finally decided it's time for an upgrade. I have a fair amount of disposable income and 4 year old setup. My current setup is a Keces DA 151 16 bit > KICAS Caliente > HD650. The reason I've never upgraded is because I've always been extremely fond of the HD650. The industry has changed a lot in the past years and I haven't been keeping up so I think its time for a change.

 

I recently listened to my friends new setup, a 24 bit DIY dac > Rudistor RPX35 > HD800. It was very good on certain recordings but absolutely raped the majority of my music collection. At first I thought it was revealing flaws in my 320kbps mp3s so I tried some lossless flac files. At the end I realized the HD800 was simply to revealing for the recordings I like to listen to. They are simply not recorded well enough for a laser precise phone like the HD800 to not find their faults. It made most my songs sound thin and without body. In a way theres not enough soundstage inherently in the recording to fill the HD800's immense soundstage. I wouldn't call the music I listen to mainstream but I it's not high-fi either I've heard enough setups to know that these scenarios can occur.

 

So with that in mind the HD800 is probably off my list of potential upgrade phones. For me that basically leaves the LCD-2, HE-6, and T1. I'm not currently living in a place where I can sample any sort of high end head-fi equipment let alone top tier phones like these so it's really hard to make a decision. I have a fair amount of experience with Beyer phones. Enough to know I like the HD650 more than anything in the DT lineup up to the DT990. Audeze and Hifiman weren't even making phones the last time I sampled a phone so I have no experience with them either. I have enough experience with Grado to know I universally despise their lineup up to the RS2. I have some experience with Denon's and Audio Technica's but nothing on their very high end.

 

From the reviews I've read, the LCD-2 seems like the right choice. I really hope it won't have the same effect as the HD800 on my recordings though. Its odd to be purposefully looking for a not so revealing phone but it seems that is a necessity. I'm planning on purchasing a Burson 160 line amp or ampdac to drive my next phone.

 

So for reference:

- I absolutely adore the HD650 sound signature (very warm, I do consider it slow sometimes, I have never felt it was vieled in any way)

- My music ranges from slow to medium speed (70/80's pop/light rock, classical, soundtracks, all time favorite music is by Sarah Mclachlan which I guess is light rock)

- Looking for something less revealing than the HD800

- I'm looking for a high end music phone, not a reference phone (flat frequency reponse means nothing to me)

post #2 of 22

I also have the HD650 and looking to upgrade to the LCD-2 or the HE-500(HE-6 looks to be too hard to drive).

 

Looks like you're planning to upgrade your amp/dac to something like a Burson. I suggest you do that first and see how much your HD650 changes.

post #3 of 22

Apparently the LCD2s sound like HD650s on crack, so theres that.

post #4 of 22
Well, you like the HD-650. I think it's a great headphone, too.

How about hanging onto it and picking up a nice tube amp? For me, the HD-650 never sounded better than when it was running on the Zana Deux. If that fits your budget, it's well worth picking up.
post #5 of 22

Heya,

 

HE-500 + Tubes.

 

Or tube up your HD650. Lyr?

 

Very best,

post #6 of 22

HD650 or LCD2

 

I understand how u feel. The Edition 8's are surprisingly resolving as well. Lol.

post #7 of 22

Really just going to mirror this recommendation.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilzc View Post

HD650 or LCD2



 

 

post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 

I'm afraid tubes are out of the question for me. I've owned two, relatively cheap tube amps, a dark voice and a littledot and both died in less than four months. The darkvoice was refunded but the Littledot wasn't even worth sending back to be repaired.

 

I find tubes too finiky and unreliable so I won't be getting another one. 

post #9 of 22

I too am guessing that you would enjoy the HE-500s, especially as they are now only $700. 

 

The T1s, while slightly less expansive in their sound stage, will probably impress you as a bit too revealing as well.  I think most people that have heard the T1s, either fans of the cans or not, would agree that the T1s are definitely "revealing!"

post #10 of 22

I love my HD650 too, especially on good tubes/Lyr. I also own both the LCD-2 R2 and HE-500. You can't go wrong with either one. I would recommend the HE-500 just because it can be had at such a low cost now... a steal if you ask me.

post #11 of 22

Sounds like you're a candidate for the LCD-2 with one potential niggle ~ sound stage and imaging

 

The LCD-2 divides people on this issue. Source and material plays a huge part in this.

post #12 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by atomiccow View Post

I'm afraid tubes are out of the question for me. I've owned two, relatively cheap tube amps, a dark voice and a littledot and both died in less than four months. The darkvoice was refunded but the Littledot wasn't even worth sending back to be repaired.

 

I find tubes too finiky and unreliable so I won't be getting another one. 



That wasn't a problem with tubes, that was a problem with poor manufacturing.  smile.gif

post #13 of 22

HA DX-1000 best high end colored phone. Pico DAC/AMP (not the slim) is the best alternative to a tube amp. imo. Gives the same colorization you may be looking for.


Edited by Infoseeker - 11/19/11 at 5:52pm
post #14 of 22

The so-called TOTL headphones are in my opinion side steps, if you like the HD650 upgrade your source and find a nice OTL tube amp as suggested.

post #15 of 22

 

This tube amp might prove to be higher quality than some of your previous offerings ~ coming to Australia very soon smile.gif

 

Ray Samuels Raptor with separate supply, just enough juice to power a K1000.

 

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