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post #391 of 596

The Aud-6X is much closer to the GR07 than the 5X. I find the basic sound signature pretty much identical, although the 6X has more bass impact.

 

Obviously, they're far more technically proficient, and the 3D soundstage is pretty amazing.

post #392 of 596

I was afraid you'd say as much, Mozu.

 

The 6X are very tempting, but at $665 they push me into an entirely new price bracket. From there, I'd also need to be considering things like the 1964-V6, also reported to be a neutral, high impact sound. Using the $400 Alclair Reference as my baseline, in the blink of an eye I'm tacking on an extra 2/3rds of cost with either the X6 or V6. 

post #393 of 596

Yeah, totally understandable. I think, if you're after GR07-esque, the Alclair sounds more like what you're after (from what I've read about them), although I'd think even the 1964 Ears V3 would be pretty temping.
 

post #394 of 596

I think it'd be inaccurate to say I'm going after a GR07 sound. I definitely want a more engaging, impactful sound than the GR07, but I like that it strikes a good balance across the frequency range, which is something I don't want to lose.

 

If nothing else, I'd just like to know more about how the 5X or Alclair Reference sound compared to the GR07.

 

Thanks for all the good info, Mozu. Your posts in this thread have been great, and I think it's incredibly cool you helped spur the 6X.

post #395 of 596
Thread Starter 

I would ask joker about the Alclair Reference vs. GR07 to find out more about those two.  

 

However, I know it may be difficult to make the jump to a higher price bracket, but I am a firm believer in buying CIEMs that closely fit your sound signature preferences.  I personally don't know how the 6X compares with the GR07, but if it is a comparable CIEM from a sound signature perspective (and I have read it is) and your budget is close, you should think about how long you will have the CIEM and what you can do to stretch your budget for a long term purchase.

post #396 of 596

My 6X arrived on Friday.. I didn't get a chance to sit down and hear them until tonight.

 

First off, the fit is excellent.  I'm batting two for two with my most recent customs (the 4.A & 6X) and their respective manufacturers (Heir Audio & Dream Earz) getting the fit correct on the first shot.. might have to buy a lottery ticket tomorrow wink_face.gif.

 

As far as sound.. the 6X is definitely unique (to my ears).  A warmer sounding phone that possesses a nice blend of neutrality & coloration.  Bass is is linear for the most part.. but there is some very delicate emphasis in places that gives the sound a welcome sense of intimacy & warmth.  The low end possesses excellent speed & extension.. and can punches effortlessly when the recording calls for it.  Treble is crisp, clean, airy, and smooth.  Not particularly noteworthy.. but not a liability either.  The treble tuning is characteristic of what one would expect from most BA-based custom monitors in the price range.  What's most important (to me) is that it fits in well with the overall signature and isn't fatiguing.

 

The midrange is, undoubtedly, the focus of the 6X' sound, though.. and what a beautiful midrange it is.  It boasts a warm, liquid, smooth, airy, detailed sound that's reminiscent of one of my favorite IEMs: the RE262.  The 6X midrange isn't as forward (or as colored) as the RE262's midrange but they share more than a few tonal characteristics.

 

I can see why Mitch said these are his favorite phones to use when it comes to listening to music for personal enjoyment (as opposed to monitoring, recording, or stage use).  The 6X has a warm, inviting quality that one can definitely 'cozy' up with.

 

My GR07 MKII are out on loan at the moment, but when I get them back, I'll be able to provide some thoughts on how they compare.  I can safely say the 6X are definitely more colored & dynamic sounding, though.

 

More thoughts & comparisons to come.. 

post #397 of 596
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the info FlySweep, looking forward to your GR07 comparison and more thoughts after you have had more time with them.

post #398 of 596

Just thought I'd say thanks again for the advice. More than anything, the words "long term purchase" from average_joe stood out, along with the note on sound signature.

 

I ordered the 7X, and my ear impressions are in Mitch's hands starting today. I'll of course do a full review sometime in December.

 

I know I'm looking for a full-bodied, 3D sound. Some coloration is actually preferred, as is some midrange forwardness, but without being muffled up top. Detailed, deep bass is also a priority.

 

Warning: Internal Thought Process Appears Below.

 

I'm the kind of person who like to know why and under what motivations people make choices, so here's the rundown. Sorry if it's a total bore.

 

The reason I paid the extra $200 for the additional TWFK (seems a bit pricey, but I'm rolling with it) is that I hope it makes the mids and highs that much better. Mitch said some guys doing the 5X to 7X upgrade weren't sure the additional dual-driver would make a difference, but that it really does. (Please don't mistake that as Mitch up-selling me. He actually finished our conversation saying, "For you, the 5X sounds best, and you can always add the upgrade later," to which I said, "Let's do the upgrade now."). As for the 6X, well, it appears marvelous too, but I'm hoping the 7X is an even more fun, warm, rich sound with the Sonion 3800 backing up the low end. The 6X will be the first place I look if the 7X somehow doesn't do it for me (which I can only assume would be if the 7X sounds too thick, or if Mozu's tonal issue strikes me). That said, if the 7X was indeed born out of an ES5 conversion that added bass, I think I'm in for good things.


Edited by nothingman - 11/5/12 at 12:35pm
post #399 of 596
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Originally Posted by nothingman View Post

Just thought I'd say thanks again for the advice. More than anything, the words "long term purchase" from average_joe stood out, along with the note on sound signature.

 

I ordered the 7X, and my ear impressions are in Mitch's hands starting today. I'll of course do a full review sometime in December.

 

I know I'm looking for a full-bodied, 3D sound. Some coloration is actually preferred, as is some midrange forwardness, but without being muffled up top. Detailed, deep bass is also a priority.

 

Warning: Internal Thought Process Appears Below.

 

I'm the kind of person who like to know why and under what motivations people make choices, so here's the rundown. Sorry if it's a total bore.

 

The reason I paid the extra $200 for the additional TWFK (seems a bit pricey, but I'm rolling with it) is that I hope it makes the mids and highs that much better. Mitch said some guys doing the 5X to 7X upgrade weren't sure the additional dual-driver would make a difference, but that it really does. (Please don't mistake that as Mitch up-selling me. He actually finished our conversation saying, "For you, the 5X sounds best, and you can always add the upgrade later," to which I said, "Let's do the upgrade now."). As for the 6X, well, it appears marvelous too, but I'm hoping the 7X is an even more fun, warm, rich sound with the Sonion 3800 backing up the low end. The 6X will be the first place I look if the 7X somehow doesn't do it for me (which I can only assume would be if the 7X sounds too thick, or if Mozu's tonal issue strikes me). That said, if the 7X was indeed born out of an ES5 conversion that added bass, I think I'm in for good things.

 

A review would be spectacular!!  I've been wanting to hear a couple more impressions on this as I have the Aud-5x now.  The addition of a tweeter always makes me nervous, too much top end can be quite fatiguing and I really love the rich, thick, warm sound that I have right now.  I don't want to meddle with it by any means.  In other words, I don't want the IEM to turn into a studio monitor, I want it to play music in a fun and engaging way.  Anyway let us know what you think when you end up getting them!

post #400 of 596

I liked the 6X.. didn't love it.. so I'm upgrading it to the 7X.  The 6X was a bit too bright & mid-focused.  Treble lacked some of detail & clarity I desired, IMO.  Bass was tight, textured well, and extended effortlessly.. but I wanted a little more quantity and punch.  Midrange had nice dynamics and detail.. it's quite neutral for the most part.. but upon further listening, it still might have been too colored.

 

Do note that I am not after a completely neutral custom IEM this time around.. I'm looking for something fast, deep, tight, and powerful in the bass region.. a smooth, exceeding clear midrange.. and a crisp, clean treble response.  From what I've read, the 7X might fit the bill.

post #401 of 596
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

I liked the 6X.. didn't love it.. so I'm upgrading it to the 7X.  The 6X was a bit too bright & mid-focused.  Treble lacked some of detail & clarity I desired, IMO.  Bass was tight, textured well, and extended effortlessly.. but I wanted a little more quantity and punch.  Midrange had nice dynamics and detail.. it's quite neutral for the most part.. but upon further listening, it still might have been too colored.

 

Do note that I am not after a completely neutral custom IEM this time around.. I'm looking for something fast, deep, tight, and powerful in the bass region.. a smooth, exceeding clear midrange.. and a crisp, clean treble response.  From what I've read, the 7X might fit the bill.

 

Interesting. Regardless of the fact you won't be able to A-B them, I'm very curious what you'll think of the 7X.


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Originally Posted by colinharding View Post

 

A review would be spectacular!!  I've been wanting to hear a couple more impressions on this as I have the Aud-5x now.  The addition of a tweeter always makes me nervous, too much top end can be quite fatiguing and I really love the rich, thick, warm sound that I have right now.  I don't want to meddle with it by any means.  In other words, I don't want the IEM to turn into a studio monitor, I want it to play music in a fun and engaging way.  Anyway let us know what you think when you end up getting them!

 

 

I'll definitely deliver a review once I've had a chance.

 

I'm a bit ignorant on exactly how the crossover is set up on the 7X, but I think adding the second TWFK is as much about providing even better midrange as it is better treble. Before I try to write anything definitive in my review, I'll be running some questions by Mitch so as not to misinform. Of course, anyone can give him a ring. Nice dude.

post #402 of 596
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I'll definitely deliver a review once I've had a chance.

 

I'm a bit ignorant on exactly how the crossover is set up on the 7X, but I think adding the second TWFK is as much about providing even better midrange as it is better treble. Before I try to write anything definitive in my review, I'll be running some questions by Mitch so as not to misinform. Of course, anyone can give him a ring. Nice dude.

 

Yeah he's a really good guy so he'll definitely let you know.  That's good to hear though, more midrange is always welcome IMO.  In any case I'm about as excited as I hope you are for when you receive them haha.

post #403 of 596
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nothingman View Post

Just thought I'd say thanks again for the advice. More than anything, the words "long term purchase" from average_joe stood out, along with the note on sound signature.

 

I ordered the 7X, and my ear impressions are in Mitch's hands starting today. I'll of course do a full review sometime in December.

 

I know I'm looking for a full-bodied, 3D sound. Some coloration is actually preferred, as is some midrange forwardness, but without being muffled up top. Detailed, deep bass is also a priority.

 

Warning: Internal Thought Process Appears Below.

 

I'm the kind of person who like to know why and under what motivations people make choices, so here's the rundown. Sorry if it's a total bore.

 

The reason I paid the extra $200 for the additional TWFK (seems a bit pricey, but I'm rolling with it) is that I hope it makes the mids and highs that much better. Mitch said some guys doing the 5X to 7X upgrade weren't sure the additional dual-driver would make a difference, but that it really does. (Please don't mistake that as Mitch up-selling me. He actually finished our conversation saying, "For you, the 5X sounds best, and you can always add the upgrade later," to which I said, "Let's do the upgrade now."). As for the 6X, well, it appears marvelous too, but I'm hoping the 7X is an even more fun, warm, rich sound with the Sonion 3800 backing up the low end. The 6X will be the first place I look if the 7X somehow doesn't do it for me (which I can only assume would be if the 7X sounds too thick, or if Mozu's tonal issue strikes me). That said, if the 7X was indeed born out of an ES5 conversion that added bass, I think I'm in for good things.

 

Thanks for sharing and I am looking forward to hearing more about the 7X.

 

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

I liked the 6X.. didn't love it.. so I'm upgrading it to the 7X.  The 6X was a bit too bright & mid-focused.  Treble lacked some of detail & clarity I desired, IMO.  Bass was tight, textured well, and extended effortlessly.. but I wanted a little more quantity and punch.  Midrange had nice dynamics and detail.. it's quite neutral for the most part.. but upon further listening, it still might have been too colored.

 

Do note that I am not after a completely neutral custom IEM this time around.. I'm looking for something fast, deep, tight, and powerful in the bass region.. a smooth, exceeding clear midrange.. and a crisp, clean treble response.  From what I've read, the 7X might fit the bill.

 

Were you comparing the 6X to anything else that helped you to that conclusion?  What was your source?  I am looking forward to more impressions of the 7X (and 6X).

post #404 of 596
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

I liked the 6X.. didn't love it.. so I'm upgrading it to the 7X.  The 6X was a bit too bright & mid-focused.  Treble lacked some of detail & clarity I desired, IMO.  Bass was tight, textured well, and extended effortlessly.. but I wanted a little more quantity and punch.  Midrange had nice dynamics and detail.. it's quite neutral for the most part.. but upon further listening, it still might have been too colored.

Do note that I am not after a completely neutral custom IEM this time around.. I'm looking for something fast, deep, tight, and powerful in the bass region.. a smooth, exceeding clear midrange.. and a crisp, clean treble response.  From what I've read, the 7X might fit the bill.

Glad I didn't have the funds on hand to upgrade my ES5. I really want to hear some more input on the 7X in the event that I waste my and Mitch's time
post #405 of 596
Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

Thanks for sharing and I am looking forward to hearing more about the 7X.

 

Were you comparing the 6X to anything else that helped you to that conclusion?  What was your source?  I am looking forward to more impressions of the 7X (and 6X).

I've (thankfully) thinned my IEM collection down in recent months.. so I don't have much to compare to.. my listening now is primarily with the T50RP Paradox & HD600 headphones.  My 4.A custom is being worked on at Heir & the GR07 MKII is out on loan.  The H-100 has few similarities to the 6X signature, so comparisons there aren't all that relevant.

 

I feel I've got a very good handle on what's neutral, balanced, warm, etc., so I'm comfortable evaluating it on its own terms.  My source was the iPhone 4 (unamped), as well as with the Leckerton UHA-6 MKII & Objective 2.. I also used it with the UHA-6S MKII's DAC & the ODAC+O2.. and the Tube-DAC-11's DAC (and solid state output).  All these are quite neutral, transparent, uncolored sources/amps, IME.  All music used was well recorded/mastered from a variety of genres.

 

After letting my ears adjust to the 6X's fit (which was very good for the most part.. there could be some adjustments.. but nothing that seriously impacted sound quality/seal/insertion depth), the 6X' treble had a smooth overall character (in line with what seems to be the DreamEarz 'house sound/tuning'), but cymbals and snares were, respectively, splashy & lacked definition.  Snares hits had a flat, 'washed out' quality to them.. cymbals sounded somewhat strident (alliteration, ma!).  It felt like the upper & mid-treble were well controlled and articulated, but the lower treble/upper midrange was peaky.  Again, I assure you fit wasn't an issue.  I've owned a number of customs and am quite suer when the fit is off or affecting sound quality.  The 6X' midrange was smooth, slightly warm, slightly thick, and dynamic.. it's really well done & the intimate midrange was quite engaging.  What I wanted was a bit more openness & air. This isn't really a knock on the 6X as the midrange presentation felt accurate for the intended purposes (a stage monitor).. it just didn't align with my personal, subjective desire.  The 6X' bass was excellent.. extended deep, was linear, fast, and textured quite naturally.. it reminded me of the UM Miracle's bass in some ways (though the Miracle's bass was more boosted, generally speaking).

 

Technically.. I felt the 6X delivered for the price.. but the slightly bright, mid-forward tuningwasn't exactly what I was looking for in terms of the signature.

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