Hi there, I am looking at either purchasing some AD700's or some Superlux HD668B's mainly for gaming. Problem is I only have onboard sound at the moment and this would severely diminish the quality of these headphones right?
So I am looking to buy a sound card. I do not want to spend any more than I have too. It is mainly going to be used for gaming so I think the most important factors are : does it have EAX? or Dolby Surround Sound?
Now if I purchased the AD-700's which sound card would give the best performance in fps gaming for a low price.
The same question applies to the HD668B's if I purchased them which sound card would compliment it the best in fps games (ie Call of Duty 4)
Yours thoughts and opinions are welcomed 
Thanks
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11/10/11 at 7:59am
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You can find a used X-Fi Xtreme Gamer on Ebay,Also a Xonar DG will work and it goes for 30ish dollars. But it supports EAX 1,2 and then emulated EAX5 when GX/DSGX mode is enable. But the GX mode isn't perfect as it has sound looping issues. Then the Emulated EAX5 on the Xonars are not perfect. Whatever you do, don't grab a used Xtreme Audio because its not a real X-FI card.
I seen the Superlux 668 on ebay a couple of times in the 50ish mark. I never heard them my self But I had the AD700, you don't mind them being bass lite then go for them. But if you going for the AD700 thinking they have allot of bass they will not be fore you. Also the AD700 sits on your head and will fall off if you look down or a slant , Also there loosely on your head. You can use a rubber band to make them tighter on your head.
Hey thanks for the headsup, I already knew though because I read a lot of reviews.
So you don't think the Asus Xonar DG is that good? which card then will provide perfect spatial sounding in games that is quite cheap?
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11/10/11 at 8:37am
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If you don't care about EAX, then go for the Xonar DG, Xonars has Dolby headphone while Creative chip set uses CMSS3D headphone. Some around these forums don't use either of them. But when both is set up right they work great. Note Dolby headphone modes 2 and 3 adds allot of reverbs and echo, Dolby Headphone mode 1 which I used on the Xonar STX is Ref and doesn't add any Reverb and Echo. But you can try out DH Mode 1 and 2 and pick the one you like.
Also when using Dolby headphone, set the windows sound config to 5.1 including the games, It will make Dolby Headphone work it best. Same applies to CMSS3D headphone.
Also don't use either when your listen to music, and turn on Hi-fi mode on the Xonar for music listening as Dolby headphone as well as CMSS3D headphone jacks up the music.
Also One of the Xonar DG pros that it has a decent headphone amp that can amp up to 150ohm headphones aslong they not hard to driven ones. Which none of the two you listed are. I doubt the AD700 would benefit from the Amp because When I had mine I never used it with a amp, But I don't know if the Superlux 668B will.
Edited by genclaymore - 11/10/11 at 8:40am
Hi, so which would you say is better for gaming? like COD4. Eax or Dolby headphone?
My top priority in the sound card is that it gives me a large soundstage in game so I can hear very accurately where people are.
Which soundcard would suit me if I got the Superlux HD668B's?
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11/10/11 at 9:48am
You shouldn't be comparing EAX to Dolby Headphone, but CMSS-3D Headphone. EAX concerns the reverb, chorus, and occlusion effects mapped in the game environment to make it sound more realistic. The other two are binaural surround technologies meant to be used with headphones. EAX tends to be used more in older games, but I still insist on its support for the sole reason that I still play a lot of older games that use it. (Oh, and if anyone foolishly tells you that EAX doesn't work in Vista or Win7? ALchemy on Creative cards, GX2.5 on Asus and all other C-Media cards. And that's just for DirectSound3D-based games; those that use OpenAL don't need it.)
I can't say which is better or worse, but I'm quite satisfied with CMSS-3D Headphone. It's almost like an aural wallhack at times, especially in DirectSound3D and OpenAL-using games that describe sound with actual 3D coordinates instead of mere 7.1 speaker positions. Just make sure you do what genclaymore said and set the Windows control panel to 5.1 or 7.1 (I use 7.1 because I don't have any 5.1 speakers connected to my desktop), while leaving the X-Fi control panel set to Headphones (so that you have the correct CMSS-3D option available, and the speaker settings remain asynchronous). Don't worry about missing sounds; the card automatically downmixes the extra channels into stereo, even with CMSS-3D Headphone off.
For the X-Fi line, your basic minimum would be the XtremeMusic or XtremeGamer for PCI, or the Titanium (non-HD) for PCIe. You may be able to get better models if you buy used, depending on budget.
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11/10/11 at 12:04pm
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The Asus Xonar DG comes with Dolby Digital and lots of DVD movies use Dolby Digital, so great for movies.
The Xonar DG comes with a $10 mail in rebate this month, depends were you buy it, in the USA.
The DG is the only low cost card that comes with a built in headphone amplifier.
I believe I'm the one who started saying (guessing?) that the DG is rated up to 150-Ohm.
The DG's headphone amp has three setting, 32-Ohm or less, 32 to 64-Ohm and >64-Ohm.
The DG uses a PCI slot.
I've heard in gaming, setting the game's audio to "Cinema Theater" works best for Xonar cards.
I own both the ATH-AD700 and the HD-668B, never gamed with them
(have not really gamed in over 7 years).
The AD700 being bass light, makes you miss out "something" in movies and some music.
I would say get the Samson SR850 (made by Superlux)
People seem to like the SR850 over the HD-668B.
Edited by PurpleAngel - 11/10/11 at 7:44pm
Hi, so you think the Asus Xonar DG would supply my headphones either AD 700's or HD668Bs with all they need?
Or should I move up to another soundcard? Remember the main thing I am wanting from the soundcard is superb spatial awareness.
Thanks
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11/10/11 at 8:49pm
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By Superb spatial awareness, I guess you want to know were your enemies are shooting from?
The ATH-AD700 has good reputation for being able to hear everything around you.
I'm assuming it's lack of bass allows one to hear more details from your surroundings.
At 32-Ohms, the AD700 can be plugged into any sound card, or on board sound.
The AD700s are light feeling resting on the head, but never felt they were going to fall off.
I heard the Samson SR850 (made by Superlux) is also good for FPS
EAX 5 is more important in older games, the XtremeGamer (PCI) or Titanium (non-HD, PCI-Express) are low cost used
sound card that support EAX 5.0, you might(?) need to spend $10 for Creative Labs software
that allows EAX 5.0 to work with Vista or Win 7.
Creative Labs CMSS-3D is just a little bit better with FPS games over Dolby.
If your will to spend more cash, the Titanium HD is great for gaming.
I'm a Xonar fan and push the Xonar DG (PCI).
It's low cost ($20 after mail in rebate)
Has a very basic headphone amplifier.
Comes with Dolby Headphone 5.1 (which is great for DVD movies).
Setting game audio to "Cinema Theater" seems to work best with Dolby
Edited by PurpleAngel - 11/10/11 at 9:03pm
Hi PurpleAngel,
Yes the main thing is being able to pin point exactly where people are around me. I get so confused with all the terms, ie Dolby, EAX, CMSS-3D, GX2.5 Dolby Headphone, DTS
I really have no clue as to which of these would be best for a game like Call of Duty 4.
I live in New Zealand and may be able to get a Xonar DS for 50NZD.
Out of the 4 Xonar cards which would give me what I need and nothing more? I always like to get the best bang for my buck.
Cheers
Edited by 443330 - 11/10/11 at 9:01pm
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11/10/11 at 9:20pm
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I've used the Xonar DG, DS, DX and now Essence STX.
The DS, DX and STX all use the C-Media CMI8788 audio processor, the DG uses the slightly older CMI8768
The DS and DX do not come with a dedicated headphone amplifier, but will power 80-Ohm headphones just fine.
The Xonar DS does not come with Dolby, just DTS
The Xonar DX is good for analog 5.1 or 7.1 speakers.
And the Titanium HD would be better for FPS over the Essence STX
(and the Titanium HD is cheaper then the STX).
So just save money and get the DG.
Try the third party "Unified Xonar Drivers", might help
Go to a Call of Duty 4 forum, find out which sound cards your fellow gamers like best
or complain the most about.
Thanks, I'm still fairly confused by all the jargon but im getting there. So I might just get the Xonar DG but im worried they wont be able to keep up with my headphones if I buy AD700's
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11/10/11 at 9:38pm
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I'm not really sure what you mean by "keep up with my headphones if I buy AD700s"
You might be worried about something not relevant.
I mean the sound card might be handicapping my AD700's
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11/10/11 at 9:58pm
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The Xonar DG does not come with true EAX 5.0, just does a half way decent emulating of EAX 5.0
Lots of people play FPS with nothing more then a low cost sound chip built into the motherboard.
Dolby Headphone is really going to be the same with any Xonar sound card.
As the AD700 is only 32-Ohm, it's going have the same sound quality with any sound card under $100
What other choices do you have?
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