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Good soundstage cans for Dolby Headphone movie watching

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Hello Head-Fi!
 
Over on AVSforum, they frequently refer people with headphone questions over here.  So that's the story of how a head trip noob wound up over here.
 
I've done a fair amount of digging so far.  The thing is,...hearty discussions about headphones usually seem to be centered on their suitability for music or gaming.
 
A problem in trying to assimilate music advice into movie advice is: I don't know if its safe to assume that cans that are said to have a good "imaging" for stereo music listening WOULD ALSO present a good "imaging" for source 5.1 movie audio that has been Dolby Headphone-ized (or THX TruStudio-ed or Yamaha Silent Cinema-ed) for headphones output.  Alright, alright, that WAS a bit wordy!  In other words, is it true that:
 
Good music "imaging" <=> good movie surround sound "imaging"?
 
I'm afraid to assume so.  Hence I ask the community here for their thoughts as relates to the task of surround sound movie watching (er, listening).
 
So ideally it would be a sub-$300 headphone that:
 
- Good imaging for 'Dolby Headphone'-style virtualized surround sound
- Closed
- Gets by well enough without an amp
 
I have a couple of other prefs, but shall keep the criteria short & sweet so many other cinema-phile headphone noobs can benefit.  Any and all words to the wise are much appreciated.
 
 
 
EDIT: Replaced "soundstage" with "imaging".  Subsequent replies helped me realize I had mixed up my terms.
 

 


Edited by Junkboxy - 11/9/11 at 11:28am
post #2 of 13

Heya,

 

Denon D2000.

 

Very best,

post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

Heya,

 

Denon D2000.

 

Very best,



x2.  They sound perfect for your needs.

post #4 of 13

I vouch for the D2000 as well.  Largest soundstage out of any closed can I've personally heard.

post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by Junkboxy View Post

 

Hello Head-Fi!

Over on AVSforum, they frequently refer people with headphone questions over here.  So that's the story of how a head trip noob wound up over here.
I've done a fair amount of digging so far.  The thing is,...hearty discussions about headphones usually seem to be centered on their suitability for music or gaming.
A problem in trying to assimilate music advice into movie advice is: I don't know if its safe to assume that cans that are said to have a good "soundstage" for stereo music listening WOULD ALSO present a good "soundstage" for source 5.1 movie audio that has been Dolby Headphone-ized (or THX TruStudio-ed or Yamaha Silent Cinema-ed) for headphones output.  Alright, alright, that WAS a bit wordy!  In other words, is it true that:
Good music "soundstage" <=> good movie surround sound "soundstage"?
I'm afraid to assume so.  Hence I ask the community here for their thoughts as relates to the task of surround sound movie watching (er, listening).
So ideally it would be a sub-$300 headphone that:
- Good soundstage for Dolby Headphone surround sound
- Closed
- Gets by well enough without an amp
I have a couple of other prefs, but shall keep the criteria short & sweet so many other cinema-phile headphone noobs can benefit.  Any and all words to the wise are much appreciated.

 

 

Your right, it is a bit wordy, I have to read it several times to make sure I'm understand your question(s)

I'm thinking you use the word "soundstage" to describe too much, so it's losing its meaning in your writings.

DVD movies use Dolby Digital 5.1, so you would listen to movies with your headphones using Dolby Headphone 5.1

To me at least "soundstage" is more a music term, not really used for describing movies, I would just use the word "surround sound" for movies, but that's just me.

I believe Yamaha's Silent Cinema is something Yamaha came up with so they do not have to pay Dolby any royalties.

THX was invented by Industrial light and magic, Dolby is a separate company.

I would be helpful to know what source(s) these headphones are going to be plugged into?

 

 


Edited by PurpleAngel - 11/6/11 at 9:59am
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Thanks for the replies, guys.
 
About the Denon D2000, yeah, I've seen some rave reviews for it's sound quality.  But I've also seen a lot of complaints about the earcups coming off because of cheapo screws breaking.  Quality control issues like that are a major buzzkill.  The other thing I've heard is that it is very leaky (the only reason I'm restricting to closed cans is because I don't want to bother others late at night).  Are either of these two things overstated complaints?
 
Sorry PurpleAngel, about that middle part. I was trying to say that, well there's STEREO recordings and then there's SURROUND sound.  And that I didn't want to buy headphones assuming it must be really good at one thing since it was reportedly really good at another.  And thus was hoping to get some opinions based strictly on surround sound imaging...or acoustics...or spatiality...or soundstage..or whatever.  I was noobishly speaking out my arse there,..not knowing exactly which techno-term to break off.
 
As for the source used..
Well sooner or later I'm gonna get a decoder box. Could be $130ish solution from the gamersphere like the Turtle Beach DSS or Astro MixAmp or Creative Recon3D.  OTOH, there is the $500 "Slimline" NR1601 AV receiver from Marantz, which is really too much kit for what I would be using it for.  I really would like to have something half-way between those two extremes - ideally a single box that could (1) decode the Dolby- or DTS- encoded 5.1 audio, and then (2) process Dolby Headphone DSP for headphones output, and then (3) amplify the headphones output.  Here is my projected set-up:
 
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post #7 of 13

How far will you be away from people with the headphones?  D2000s no doubt leak, but not as much as a completely open headphone.  If you listen at moderate volumes, anything beyond 10 feet should be no problem at all.  If it's an instance when you're right next to somebody in a bed or on a couch, then it might be moreso a problem.

 

So far I havn't had an issue with their screws coming loose, but I'm only 5 months in.

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Originally Posted by Junkboxy View Post
 But I've also seen a lot of complaints about the earcups coming off because of cheapo screws breaking.  Quality control issues like that are a major buzzkill.  The other thing I've heard is that it is very leaky (the only reason I'm restricting to closed cans is because I don't want to bother others late at night).  Are either of these two things overstated complaints?

Heya,

 

This is the phenomena of the internet. If something happens once or twice, there will be a room of 5,000 people who have never experienced it, but one dude from the internet will come in and spout off about it like it's law, and that person never even listened to, let alone owned, the headphone in subject. But hey, if it has your knees shaking, go with something lesser. They're beyond over-stated. The leaking of the D2000 is no more than a lot of non-isolating closed back headphones. Closed back headphones are still able to let out sound. It doesn't leak like a Grado. If you put on the D2000's, listen to high volume, someone in the next room will not hear much unless you have your headphones off so that they're open to the room, and not sitting on your head. This applies to nearly all closed headphones by the way, not just the D2000. They do allow more sound leaking than a headphone that clamps very hard on your head, but having several of these headphones, I wouldn't put a lot of weight on it unless absolute silence is a necessity (in which case, just get an IEM).

 

As for decoder, the astro mixamp would do well for you. Receivers, most of them at least, are not setup to do dolby headphone specifically.

 

Very best,

post #9 of 13
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After some more boning up, I realize I should've asked for cans with good imaging for virtualized movie surround sound, not soundstage.  

 

You guys talked me into wanting the D2000.  But I can't find it at a non-ebay major seller for under $300, so that purchase is on hold at least until black Friday.  I'm about to hit the order button on an Amazon cart of stuff, and I want to toss in a pair of sub-$100 cans that can get me initiated.

 

So I re-ask, this time for cheap cans which have a pretty neutral signature, or maybe mid-enhanced.  Again, these are for movie watching, and voice is the most important thing to be able to discern in movie sound.  Since voice is in the mid-range, that's my rationale for trying to avoid that "recessed mid-range" I've read about somewheres.  I made a short list of options acquirable thru Amazon.

 

The sub-$100 list:

 

JVC HA-RX900

JVC HA-RX700

Superlux HD681

Samson SR850

Shure SRH440

Sennheiser HD 448

Sony MDR-V600

Sony MDR-V700DJ

UltraSone HFI-450

AKG K 240 Studio

post #10 of 13

There's people in Head-fi's trade forum that sells them for around 200-250 dollars.

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Originally Posted by Junkboxy View Post


The sub-$100 list:

 

JVC HA-RX900

JVC HA-RX700

Superlux HD681

Samson SR850

Shure SRH440

Sennheiser HD 448

Sony MDR-V600

Sony MDR-V700DJ

UltraSone HFI-450

AKG K 240 Studio


JVC RX900, no doubt.

 

post #12 of 13

Heya,

 

D2000 for $250. It will go fast.

 

Very best,

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JVC RX900, no doubt.

 

Yep, mine arrives tomorrow.  I'm geeked up like an 8yr-old on Christmas eve knowing there's an Optimus Prime under the tree tomorrow morning!  And they're just $60 headphones!


 

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Heya,

 

D2000 for $250. It will go fast.

 

Very best,

Thanks for direction MalVeaux, you have some sweet in-depth reviews.  I definitely qualify as a non-audiophile, so I thought why not start with something 1/5th the cost that will give me time to gauge my preferences.

 


 

 

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