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post #1891 of 2757
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Originally Posted by tzjin View Post

 

Can anybody else confirm? This is the first time I've heard this.

 

From what I know of the M80, and my experience with the GR07, I'm not sure how they would sound similar. The GR07 are very balanced, with a slight treble peak, while the M80 are known to be a bit treble recessed. I suppose their mid to low ends may be a bit similar, but that is not accounting for the midbass hump of the M80.

 

It does have recessed mids (comparison to the lows, and some highs) in the right light.  The midrange instrumentals are laid back a bit which makes it seem this way.  I wouldn't call the treble on the M80 recessed (Aurisonics, UE 500 is recessed, this is rolled off), but they do roll off quickly.  

post #1892 of 2757
No recessed mids to my ears. They're not upfront but definItely not recessed. Smooth is a great word for the M-80.
post #1893 of 2757
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No recessed mids to my ears. They're not upfront but definItely not recessed. Smooth is a great word for the M-80.

 

I can see why they say it's recessed.  I don't feel recessed is the right word to describe it though.  

post #1894 of 2757

Tinyman, could you please post comparisons of the treble to that of other headphones? I guess recessed has a slightly different meaning to different people.
 

post #1895 of 2757
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Originally Posted by tzjin View Post

Tinyman, could you please post comparisons of the treble to that of other headphones? I guess recessed has a slightly different meaning to different people.
 

 

I differentiate between rolled off and recessed.  Rolled off normally creates a more metallic sound (especially if it isn't recessed) while recessed will sound entirely in the background.  Recessed treble can at times sound veiled.  I really can't think of too many headphones/IEMs I've used that have recessed treble.  So I dig into my collection:

  • Ultimate Ears 500s: treble not only rolls off, but also receeds well into the background in comparison to the M80.  With that, low-end and high end detailing is lost as is some clarity.  This is a trivial version of recessed as the treble can sound veiled at times while the M80 never is.  Both of the IEMs roll off around the same time.
  • Aurisonics ASG-1 (1.2 rev): The treble is a little less recessed, but detailing and clarity is lost in both the low and higher mids.  As with the 500s, there is also a roll-off to the highs.  There really isn't a veil in the high end though, it just sounds like it is missing.  
  • MEE CW31: I have to do this one from memory, but once again, these are recessed as in the quantity isn't as high as the M80.  However, these do roll off as well to worsen the effect.  The veil is large in these as well.  Very similar treble characteristics as the 500s.

 

It's rare to find a recessed IEM that isn't rolled off, I don't know of any myself right now.  That generally is the trend.  However, it is possible to find a rolled off IEM that isn't recessed.  The M80 is an example of this, as it actually has ample quantity (in line with the mids, in some areas more), but drops off a little earlier than it should.  The Apple IEMs do this as well, but to a further degree.  It creates a metallic sound in the highs (M80s sort of have this, but also sort of don't).  Many Moshi products are like this as well.  A rolled off high end tends to create a crunchy, at times metallic, sound to it.  

post #1896 of 2757

Alright, so the highest registers are rolled off for the M80. I think I've read this before, and the reviewer described the feeling as a lack of airiness, what you describe as metallic sounding. So while not completely treble recessed, supposedly M80 lacks the sparkle of brighter cans such as the HD25. Would you agree with that statement?
 

 

Thanks you for the comparison.

post #1897 of 2757
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Originally Posted by tzjin View Post

Alright, so the highest registers are rolled off for the M80. I think I've read this before, and the reviewer described the feeling as a lack of airiness, what you describe as metallic sounding. So while not completely treble recessed, supposedly M80 lacks the sparkle of brighter cans such as the HD25. Would you agree with that statement?
 

 

Thanks you for the comparison.

 

I feel it does sparkle, but it doesn't extend.  The sparkle is shorter lived for sure though.  Note this is in comparison to brighter phones like an Etymotic or B2 (IEMs) Hope that makes sense.  

 

NOTE: That these descriptions and words and their definitions are never set in stone.  Each and every person will have a varying interpretation of each definition.  Know the reviewer, ask questions if you don't understand.  If they are a good one, they will be able to respond with detail.  


Edited by tinyman392 - 8/1/12 at 5:18pm
post #1898 of 2757
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

I feel it does sparkle, but it doesn't extend.  The sparkle is shorter lived for sure though.  Note this is in comparison to brighter phones like an Etymotic or B2 (IEMs) Hope that makes sense.  

 

NOTE: That these descriptions and words and their definitions are never set in stone.  Each and every person will have a varying interpretation of each definition.  Know the reviewer, ask questions if you don't understand.  If they are a good one, they will be able to respond with detail.  

 

Alright, thanks for the advice!

 

I'm not sure anything under $200 will sparkle more than the B2/DBA-02. rolleyes.gif

post #1899 of 2757
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Alright, thanks for the advice!

 

I'm not sure anything under $200 will sparkle more than the B2/DBA-02. rolleyes.gif

 

LOL...  Me neither :)  

post #1900 of 2757

The mids were the first thing I noticed when I first heard the M-80.  I'd say they're forward, not recessed.

post #1901 of 2757
I also wouldn't call the treble rolled off at all either. May not have that sparkle but it is extended to a certain degree. It's soft and polite yet still detailed.

Some cans with rolled off treble to compare: ATH-SJ5, K81DJ (not to be confused with K181). The SJ5s and K81s need some EQ.
post #1902 of 2757
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The mids were the first thing I noticed when I first heard the M-80.  I'd say they're forward, not recessed.

 

I found them backgrounded when comparing to IEMs like the Phonak PFE 1xx and headphones like the Philips Downtown, Pioneer STEEZ 808, and Brainwavz HM5 (although it's vocal was forward compared to the HM5 vocals).  The vocals are forward however, the instrumentals still sound a little backgrounded (recessed is too big of a word).  

 

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Originally Posted by roma101 View Post

I also wouldn't call the treble rolled off at all either. May not have that sparkle but it is extended to a certain degree. It's soft and polite yet still detailed.
Some cans with rolled off treble to compare: ATH-SJ5, K81DJ (not to be confused with K181). The SJ5s and K81s need some EQ.

 

Mine does show sparkle, but not extension.  I don't agree with soft though (it has a metalic sound to it a little).  

post #1903 of 2757

Slightly OT, but this angered me a bit. I went to B&H Photo in New York City and was delighted to be able to finally give some super cans a try. The HD800 and Grado RS1i finally graced my ears. The musical choices weren't the greatest (Black Eyed Peas) and it was sad to see teens running around the headphone display trying on the $1500 HD800s and then putting on the Beats Solos right next to them with a look on their face that said, "Why the hell do those crappy, bass-less headphones cost so much?" However, this isn't why I'm posting here.

 

I also had the pleasure of finally being able to AB the Sennheiser HD-25 alongside the M-80. Same source, same amp, same music. Or so I thought. The Senns sounded fantastic and I finally experienced that tight, but not uncomfortable grip I've read about so many times. However, when I picked up the M-80 display I was severely let down. The headband had been bent to a slightly awkward angle and upon placing them on my head I realized the drivers weren't producing any sound. I noticed the cable that plugs into the headphones was a bit loose so I pushed it in. Still no sound. So I pushed harder. Much harder. That caused the right driver, and only the right driver, to kick in and play until I released the plug.

 

B&H Photo needs a new demo unit! My heart dropped when I realized that among everything on display there, the M-80s looked sad and cheap with the bent headband plus the inability to produce sound. It just doesn't create a positive image for V-MODA and I can only imagine the amount of sales that went to Beats products because of this defective demo.

 

I think a shiny, new Pearl White unit should grace that display elevate awareness of what good sound and fashion are supposed to be. Just looking out for you, Val. Better yet, send B&H a M-100!

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thinking i made a mistake in my haste and either will go back to the gr07s or try the dba-02 mkIIs.  these are just way too uncomfortable!! and i've been using them for a few hours so far and think if they were to grow more usable/comfortable they would have done so by now.  they simply will not fit my head; i have to stretch the cups DOWN to reach and cover my ears, and they start to slip up and become loose a little due to the size of my head!  sound is good quality but i also think i'm missing a bit of the clarity/detail/dynamics of the GR07 (they are quite close though, and soundstage is maybe a touch improved).  isolation's good for a full size but nowhere near an IEM; think i overestimated their ability to isolate.  really wanted to like these....

post #1905 of 2757
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Originally Posted by Rhymenoceros View Post

thinking i made a mistake in my haste and either will go back to the gr07s or try the dba-02 mkIIs.  these are just way too uncomfortable!! and i've been using them for a few hours so far and think if they were to grow more usable/comfortable they would have done so by now.  they simply will not fit my head; i have to stretch the cups DOWN to reach and cover my ears, and they start to slip up and become loose a little due to the size of my head!  sound is good quality but i also think i'm missing a bit of the clarity/detail/dynamics of the GR07 (they are quite close though, and soundstage is maybe a touch improved).  isolation's good for a full size but nowhere near an IEM; think i overestimated their ability to isolate.  really wanted to like these....

Only a few hours?  That's not really enough...you sometimes also have to bend the headband and the cups a bit for it to fit properly.

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