Bass on my HD650's seems to be lacking..? - Page 3

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Originally Posted by Head Injury 

Current, voltage, and power are directly related. They have everything to do with volume, and nothing to do with bass coloration and sound stage. The HD650, by the way, needs very little current and power thanks to its 300 ohm impedance and fairly high sensitivity. What it needs is voltage.

 

I can walk through a couple calculations if you like, to show you how much current and power it actually needs to reach high volume (I like to use 110 dB for that).

I would agree on some point. On calculation that seems to be very true but in the end it's the circuit and components' job to deliver the actual sound. For things to perform ideally we need quality caps, transformer, circuit etc. A budget cut in cost would definitely diminish the performance in some way. I am lying to you if I claim a $5 steak taste the same or even close to a lovely prime rib.

On the other hand, I must emphasize that one must listen to the actual sound and if possible, investigate the interior built of the DAC/Amp. Pay more and pay smart when investing in this accursed hobby.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven 

Isn't not coloring a good thing?

It depends, All props color the sound in some way, some swore with neutral and some embrace colored interpretation (like tubes). As long as one enjoy and know what he is doing I think that's fine. For pros as long as they know their system well and how their hard work would be translated into other systems, that's also fine.

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Originally Posted by AlfredWong 

I would agree on some point. On calculation that seems to be very true but in the end it's the circuit and components' job to deliver the actual sound. For things to perform ideally we need quality caps, transformer, circuit etc. A budget cut in cost would definitely diminish the performance in some way. I am lying to you if I claim a $5 steak taste the same or even close to a lovely prime rib.

 

On the other hand, I must emphasize that one must listen to the actual sound and if possible, investigate the interior built of the DAC/Amp. Pay more and pay smart when investing in this accursed hobby.

That sort of stuff can hurt performance, sure. But the E9 measures pretty well too, especially into high impedance loads. Expensive isn't always better, and not in every application either. Paying more is silly after a certain point (not saying the E9 is that point, but it's not objectionable at all for the HD650). I can send you a review of it if you'd like, the site itself is banned here because of objectivity or something.

Now that's silly, why would a whole site be banned from being displayed on a forum such as this?

I was wondering the same thing this morning. Forgot my speakers EQ setting on (-4dB ~100hz), then after two hours of listening and wondering noticed it, ahh the bass was back. Ok enough of trolling,

I listen to alot of electronic music, dubstep, house, drum and bass etc. and I'm fine with the bass amount my HD-600 gives, I was actually surprised by the amount of sub-bass when I first heard them. I have the older version with black drivers though, which supposedly is known for slightly bloated bass.

I tried to compare these with my Portapros (both straight out of my phone, unamped) and these have quite similar amount of sub-bass imo. The Portapros have a bump in upper bass, which sounds very annoying in comparison.

But anyways, these are not going to satisfy a basshead, they lack the the slam that you get from some 'phones. I would like the deepest rumble (below 50hz) be slightly louder too, maybe I will try boosting it with EQ for my electronic music needs.

It could be that, once you get used to your HD650 sound, you will notice the HD25 bass to sound bloated, or boosted, who knows.

Song example:

i love the bass on my hd 650s. its strong enough and very textured and goes down deep. there is roll off in the really low bass, but not enough to notice on most songs. 

I have been comparing my HD650s with my beloved HD495s and W5000s. Amps used were an AT-HA5000 (very handily has two outputs for easy comparison!) and a Kasuga KA-10SH (tubes). The HD650s do seem a bit weak, it has to be said. They are well known for being laid back and there is no way I'd say they have any real "punch". The volume of bass is low. It is detailed and controlled really well, there just isn't that much of it.

Rock suffers the worst, but electronic stuff has a hard time too. Since mine were second hand I don't know exactly how many hours they have one them so am going to do 100 hours more burn in and have another listen. I was just surprised as the 495s are open. The W5000's bass is legendary, once you get them to fit right.