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post #16 of 30
1/30/04 at 1:26am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Wodgy
If you're upset with Headsave's pricing, why not consider a PPA from one of the American vendors? (JMT, Voodoochile, etc.) You'll pay in American dollars and the exchange rate will work in your favor. Price competition is good for everyone.
No, I'm not upset with Headsave, but it annoys me to see somebody taken advantage of, even if they don't know it... I have a pretty good amp (Sears LXI series) vintage and found only in Canada. If I ever spend money on a custom build amp, it will be tube amp build by a guy which I know pretty well.

Sometimes when I read the posts in this forum, I admit that I get upset by seeing the gullible nature of some of the members... It is easy to say "not my problem", but still sometimes the feelings shows.
post #17 of 30
1/30/04 at 1:53am
do you have any idea how ignorant you are coming off as? you act as if you know better than us. he offers a warrenty, and great costomer service. he is very highly respected FOR GOOD REASON. they make higher quality products for less money. people on this board are by NO means ignoarnt. if you don't want to spend big bucks on headphone equipment than thats fine, but its not some peice of **** from some guy. from what you have said so far, you sound so damn ignorant. don't fight me on this by calling me names or w/e you want to do. i know your veiws won't ever change.

EDIT: and what the hell is donan?
post #18 of 30
1/30/04 at 1:59am
Quote:
Originally posted by wali
PPA was 375$ (300 something not sure).

PPA $400 + $35 power supply + shipping. I have not heard a headsave PPA yet, but emotions aside about a 'guy sitting somewhere and building something for you'. I can never bring myself to buy a PPA in that price from headsave even if it sounds like $3000 tube amp.

I want my box, my manual and a respected brand name. Not to forget, return policy, exchange, repaire and the rest of services, which come with buying hig-end equipment.

Headsave is based in Canada, but he basiclly sells to Americans only and have his prices in US$(?).

US$400 + US$ 35 = US$435

US$435 * 1.3(flat rate he asks for) = CDN$565

CDN$565 * 1.05 [GST 7% + PST (Ontario) 8% tax]= CDN$593 +CDN$7 shipping

CDN$600

For CDN$600 I can get this AVR-1404

Please do not attempt to convinnce me otherwise.
lol, the exchange rate is a bit less than 1.3, if you wanted to find the sales tax you would multiply by 1.15, and if you want quality, your going to pay for it. quit talking about things you have no actual knowledge of. he offers all of those things you mentioned.
post #19 of 30
1/30/04 at 2:24am
I own a Headsave PPA (standard configuration), and I am deliously happy with the sound I am getting from my headphones, even with my modest source. Norm has given me far better customer service and advice for my sound system than I have gotten from other "commercial" places where I have spent similar amounts of money. The web-site price of the PPA is the same as it was before Christmas. The price increase comes in because the Elpac power supply is no longer included in the price, which is only a price increase IF you need the power supply. I've recently heard a $1200 RKV Mk II with Senn HD600 phones. While I absolutely loved the experience of listening to the RKV/Senn combo, it left me with only the desire to buy a pair of Senn 600's for my PPA, and NO desire for an RKV. I truly LOVE the sound the PPA is giving me, and, with the price increase, it is still affordable to me. For the quality of the PPA, and its price AND customer support at Headsave, the Headsave PPA is still one of the better headphone amp bang-for-the-buck deals, which is why I bought one.
post #20 of 30
1/30/04 at 2:28am
Thread Starter 
Ty muffinman, I knew i had made a mistake there, but on a brighter note now the price is CDN$650 LOL!.

av98m2, you personally attacking me shows what a smart guy you are to rebut my argument, if you know wtf rebut means.

I guess u too should just stfu, if you don't have any concrete arguments to bear on this discussion, instead of being excited teenagers by saying things like "headsave amps are very good!" or showing pictures of an amp PCB (how retarded is that).

i dus clea?



EDIT: Thanks Mod!
post #21 of 30
1/30/04 at 2:39am
dude, your argument has no grounds whatsoever. this thread is pointless. you are DEAD WRONG.

EDIT: btw, you don't tell someone off for attacking you and do the exact same thing to them. and, i just sent norm an email for the final price of a ppa in canadian dollars shipped to toronto. it would cost alot more if you had to send it through customs btw, and since he is independant and makes the amps himself, he wouldn't charge sales tax. ill post his responce later tonight or tomorrow.
post #22 of 30
1/30/04 at 2:47am
I don't really understand the point of this thread either. It started out being a complaint about the price hike, but then Wali said that he's not upset with Headsave.

The Denon comparison is kind of irrelevant, IMHO. You can pay $600 for a commercial amp with 0.7% distortion or a DIY amp with distortion numbers at least 27dB better. In one case you pay the money for a pretty box, in the other case you pay the money for higher performance. It's a personal choice.
post #23 of 30
1/30/04 at 4:00am
Quote:
Originally posted by wali
Buying any part of an Audiophile gear is a very personal thing; however, personal preference does not mean acting "in contradiction to common sense".

Putting that Headsave PPA and that Donan receiver side by side, and Putting the same price tag on them... I don't want to go much far into this, since my brain already hurts by thinking about it.

I wonder why this guy who runs Headsave does not work for a high-end audio equipment company, or patent his "revolutionary" and "incredible sounding" headphone amp technology?

I guess as long as there are those who "believe", there will be those who will make money.... now that’s an original quote by me, I better copyright it.

Relax guys; we need to accept each others different points of view. If everyone thought the same this forum won't exist.
It's abundantly obvious you've never investigated what is behind the amps on headsave.com . They're all DIY projects. The guy who runs headsave is doing the work of building them for people who want an awesome inexpensive amp without the effort of buying parts and soldering. He didn't design the amps. I built a PIMETA similar to the one he offers, and for the price I would say that it's better than ANY commercial offering within $100 (hell, maybe even $200) of its price. The parts are higher quality than anything you'd ever see in a Denon reciever, and this is reflected in the sound.
post #24 of 30
1/30/04 at 4:10am
Wali, you really need to do some research and listen to some of the DIY amps before starting threads like this. It is one thing if you have heard the amps and believe them to be over priced.

I really don't know how Norm sells his amps so cheap, especially from Canada. You don't even have an idea of what the parts cost alone. Have you seen how much people are selling used PPAs for in the For Sale Forum?

I have made numerous amps and I would not sell them as low as he does. I think it is great that he does it and I hardly see him taking advantage of people. If people are willing to pay him, then so be it. A lot of people do not want to go through the hassle of building their own. Have you seen the prices on comercial amps? How about the $350 Grado RA-1 with <$50 in parts and a block of wood?

I really don't see the point of this thread except to crap on Norm. If you don't like the price don't buy one, but don't get mad at the guy who is doing a lot of people a favor by building amps, so people like you don't have to.

Have you seen his work and heard the praise from people who have bought amps from him? He does a fine job and pays attention to every detail.
post #25 of 30
1/30/04 at 4:16am
Your problem seems to be with DIY amps, not HeadSave's pricing in particular. You could just as well be bitching about JMT or any other DIYFSErs here. Just saying it seems stupid to single out HeadSave. Their pricing is quite competitive with that of others. Make a commerical amp vs. DIY amp thread or something.
post #26 of 30
1/30/04 at 5:06am
If you bought an amp similar to the PPA in quality from a well established brand, it'd cost you probably somewhere in the high 1000$ range. If he was selling his amps at this price, I'd see the point of your rant. People from Headroom confessed that the PPA was in the MAX league. Check the price of a max on www.headphone.com Of course, you don't get the fancy enclosure and it is indeed possible that headsave would disappear more easily than headroom.

However, if you don't care about the look (and headsave amps are not ugly, just functionnal looking) and accept the small risk, you're saving big bucks. Hey, it's even cheaper than an used Max.

And regarding your comparaison with a receiver it's apple and orange. This receiver you get for the same price looks nice but it's still just somewhere in the lower end. With the PPA, we're talking about stuff way up the hifi scale.
post #27 of 30
1/30/04 at 5:24am
Wali, I apologise for calling you a...well, you know what . I tend to get very irritated when I see pointless threads started by people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and question another person's(in this case norm) integrity on top of that. The point of showing the pimeta's pcb was just to give you some idea of what you're paying for when you buy a diy amp from norm or anyone else(read: part and build quality, but I guess that was completely lost on you). If you have nothing against headsave, like you claim, then why are you trying to adversely affect his business by starting this thread??
post #28 of 30
1/30/04 at 6:25am
I don't think there is any reason to trash Headsave just for offering DIY designs rather than commercial designs from big companies. I think Norm offers very competitive prices on his amps, his pricing can't be very much more than what it costs in the parts alone for the things. He has a lot of happy customers at Head-Fi and is probably the most visible vendor of premade DIY design amps. He deserves a temendous amount of respect just for building such a good reputation for himself, not an easy task.

And if you don't like Headsave's amps, just do the easy thing and not buy them. You don't need to go as far as implying that people that buy Headsave amps are being taken advantage of. This kind of stuff is mean-spirited and not necessary at all.
post #29 of 30
1/30/04 at 7:24am
Wali, isnt it just sad that you cannot grasp the simple concept of "inflation"?
post #30 of 30
1/30/04 at 1:26pm
This is going no where. Personal insults are being thrown about that are in direct violation of the Head-fi TOU. So I will put an end to it.
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