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Hi,

 

I need a new sound card. I'm looking at the Asus Xonar DX / D2 / D2X. It will be used for gaming, music, and movies. Currently I have Goldring NS1000 headphones but soon I'll be getting some better ones such as Beyerdynamic DT770/880/990 or Sennheiser HD 598 + amp if needed. 

 

My budget is around £60 for the card but I will be buying second hand so anything up to around £100 new I will look at. Is the Asus Xonar DX range a good choice?

 

Also quick question, how does the Asus Xonar DX compare to the Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer (card I had previously)

 

Thanks :)

 

P.S. First post - hi!


Edited by hyperr - 10/29/11 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by hyperr View Post

Hi,

 

I need a new sound card. I'm looking at the Asus Xonar DX / D2 / D2X. It will be used for gaming, music, and movies. Currently I have Goldring NS1000 headphones but soon I'll be getting some better ones such as Beyerdynamic DT770/880/990 or Sennheiser HD 598 + amp if needed. 

 

My budget is around £60 for the card but I will be buying second hand so anything up to around £100 new I will look at. Is the Asus Xonar DX range a good choice?

 

Also quick question, how does the Asus Xonar DX compare to the Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer (card I had previously)

 

Thanks :)

 

P.S. First post - hi!



Not sure about the DX but the D2 series is clearly superior to my ears. Warmer & yet more detailed. Note that the D2's are fully direct coupled. The X-Fi cards use some really low grade coupling caps & these really muck up the sound on the X-Fi cards. Removing those coupling caps & putting wire in thier place on the X-Fi cards really helps but still does not bring it to the level of the D2 cards.

 

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Not sure about the DX but the D2 series is clearly superior to my ears. Warmer & yet more detailed. Note that the D2's are fully direct coupled. The X-Fi cards use some really low grade coupling caps & these really muck up the sound on the X-Fi cards. Removing those coupling caps & putting wire in thier place on the X-Fi cards really helps but still does not bring it to the level of the D2 cards.

 


Thanks. So the D2 would be a good choice for my needs / price range? No alternatives to consider?

 

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Not sure about the DX but the D2 series is clearly superior to my ears. Warmer & yet more detailed. Note that the D2's are fully direct coupled. The X-Fi cards use some really low grade coupling caps & these really muck up the sound on the X-Fi cards. Removing those coupling caps & putting wire in thier place on the X-Fi cards really helps but still does not bring it to the level of the D2 cards.


Which X-Fi cards are you talking about? Be specific here.

 

Most of them may be rather "meh" by audiophile standards (the OP's XtremeGamer included), but you have to factor in the Auzentech cards and Creative's own Titanium HD that were designed with an emphasis on good sound quality from the start.

 

Anyway, as for gaming, that depends on how much the OP wants EAX effects in older titles. If that is not a concern, then it's a toss-up between whether or not he'd prefer CMSS-3D Headphone or Dolby Headphone. Regardless, gaming's the only thing that X-Fi-based cards have any particular edge in, and if he's aiming for more music listening or movie viewing, a Xonar might-just might-be of more benefit. (Can't say I've had a Xonar card, even though I often cite the DG as a bang-for-the-buck offering.)

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The Asus Xonar DX does not come with a dedicated headphone amplifier.

My Xonar DX had no problem powering my Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 80-Ohm headphones

But 250-Ohm headphones barely worked with the Xonar DX.

I believe the D2 and D2X have dedicated headphone amplifiers.

 

The Xonar DG has a headphone amplifier, rated up to around 150-Ohms.

And is way cheaper then other sound cards.

 

For headphones, how about the Sennheiser HD-558?

 

 

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The Asus Xonar DX does not come with a dedicated headphone amplifier.

My Xonar DX had no problem powering my Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 80-Ohm headphones

But 250-Ohm headphones barely worked with the Xonar DX.

I believe the D2 and D2X have dedicated headphone amplifiers.

 

The Xonar DG has a headphone amplifier, rated up to around 150-Ohms.

And is way cheaper then other sound cards.

 

For headphones, how about the Sennheiser HD-558?

 

Thanks :) I'm going to get the D2 card then, I've already found someone selling it for £55 second hand. About headphones, yeah HD558 are an option, although I do like the look of Beyerdynamic more, almost decided on the DT880. I was going to make another thread about headphones sooner to the point of purchase, but can't hurt to discuss it here.
 

 

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Thanks :) I'm going to get the D2 card then, I've already found someone selling it for £55 second hand. About headphones, yeah HD558 are an option, although I do like the look of Beyerdynamic more, almost decided on the DT880. I was going to make another thread about headphones sooner to the point of purchase, but can't hurt to discuss it here.

I really really like my Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 250-Ohm headphones.

Somewhere on Head-Fi there is a thread that compares on the Beyerdynamic models.
 

 

 

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Which X-Fi cards are you talking about? Be specific here.

 

Most of them may be rather "meh" by audiophile standards (the OP's XtremeGamer included), but you have to factor in the Auzentech cards and Creative's own Titanium HD that were designed with an emphasis on good sound quality from the start.

 

Anyway, as for gaming, that depends on how much the OP wants EAX effects in older titles. If that is not a concern, then it's a toss-up between whether or not he'd prefer CMSS-3D Headphone or Dolby Headphone. Regardless, gaming's the only thing that X-Fi-based cards have any particular edge in, and if he's aiming for more music listening or movie viewing, a Xonar might-just might-be of more benefit. (Can't say I've had a Xonar card, even though I often cite the DG as a bang-for-the-buck offering.)



Most of the older Creative Labs X-Fi cards were not all that great sounding, better than on board at the time but thats not too difficult to accomplish. All X-Fi cards use coupling caps in them but newer cards such as the Auzentec Prelude use solid electrolytics for coupling which may sound better but I haven't a had a chance hear them.

 

The only disadvantage of the Xonar D2 series is they don't have a high output headphone amp however they should work better with high sensitivity IEM's than the Xonar Essense ST/STX cards due too the lower gain of the amp that would be feeding them. In spite of the gain control on the essense cards the actual gain of the essense cards is fixed & the gain control only limits the output volume by 1-3 bits relative to max volume.

 

The D2 cards are limited to a max gain equivolent to line out voltage hense will have max dynamic range available to IEM type earphone of 112db instead of about 99db with Xonar Essense cards at the same max volume of the lowest gain of the Essense cards. To get the max dynamic range out of the Essense cards you need to use low sensitivity  high impedance earphones. The D2 would drive them to such volumes that the full 118db output of the line out would not be usable but 112db would be with most IEM's unlike the Essense cards.

 

With the D2 series you will NEED an amp to feed high impedance phones making the Essense series cards a better bang for buck  for driving high impedance phones however the D2 series is definately more versitle than the Essense cards if you have other needs besides listening to music. With the D2 cards you have MIDI capability plus they come with recording software. You also have multichannel analog out with the D2 cards that the Essense cards don't have unless you opt for the Essense ST which you still have to pay extra for the surround analog outs. It really depends on what your needs are for audio.


Edited by germanium - 10/30/11 at 1:11am
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Why not an EMU 0404 USB ?  I personally prefer external interfaces since they can hook up to whatever computer you want, not just one that has a bit of room in the case and an open slot.  I game with it as well as listen and record.  On a modern quad core system, the performance between an external USB and an internal PCI/PCI-E is nil, and I love shooters....

 

If you are worried about gaming too much, there is an external HD x-fi that creative makes, that is decently priced. 

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