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post #3541 of 4053
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Originally Posted by willyvlyminck View Post

I did mean the molded plastic wich is a copy of your inner ear. There is is shop here selling anything for People with hear Problems, and they offer the possibility of customizing your in ears with the molded plastic, wich causes a perfect fit, and probably even improve an already great in ear ?


 



While providing the best comfort, that solution can also completely ruin the sound signature. Why would you pay to have the sound ruined?
post #3542 of 4053

Hi everyone. Just received these, due in large part to ljoker's review. I was in the market for something warm, comfortable, and good with a wide range of music, especially metal, after I lost my beloved hifi-man re-zeros.

 

My only issue is the fit. I have a very wide ear canal that is a bit shallow. I'm not getting the best seal with the largest bi-flange tips. If I sit still, the seal is just ok, so I know I'm not getting the most out of them. With the re-zeros, I used to get a great seal with the largest olive-style tips. I tried replacing them with the largest Sony tips, but they were too small. 

 

I ordered some medium and large foam tips from lostearbuds on ebay, based on the advice in another thread, so let's hope for the best.

 

Has anyone else had similar fit issues? 

 

Thanks,

shuto

post #3543 of 4053
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Originally Posted by shuto77 View Post

Hi everyone. Just received these, due in large part to ljoker's review. I was in the market for something warm, comfortable, and good with a wide range of music, especially metal, after I lost my beloved hifi-man re-zeros.

My only issue is the fit. I have a very wide ear canal that is a bit shallow. I'm not getting the best seal with the largest bi-flange tips. If I sit still, the seal is just ok, so I know I'm not getting the most out of them. With the re-zeros, I used to get a great seal with the largest olive-style tips. I tried replacing them with the largest Sony tips, but they were too small. 

I ordered some medium and large foam tips from lostearbuds on ebay, based on the advice in another thread, so let's hope for the best.

Has anyone else had similar fit issues? 

Thanks,
shuto
Meelec. Bi flange work well with these phones as well
post #3544 of 4053
Thanks!I'll check them out.

Hey, HairyHeadMara--

Meelectronics has, by my count, 5 double-flange tips. Do you have the model number? And are they medium or large?
Edited by shuto77 - 12/20/13 at 9:05am
post #3545 of 4053

I actually get the best seal with the bi-flange tips from the LG Quadbeat, they fit perfectly on the barrel nozzle, but they only come with one double-flange tip and it just happened to be the right size for me...and sounds like it'll be too small for you.  I've not tried Olives or foams with these yet though.

post #3546 of 4053
Yeah, those will probably be too small. Meelectronics has 5 different bi-flanges, so I like my chances of finding some with a good fit.
post #3547 of 4053
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Originally Posted by shuto77 View Post

Yeah, those will probably be too small. Meelectronics has 5 different bi-flanges, so I like my chances of finding some with a good fit.

 

The M6 bi-flanges.

 

I'm surprised anyone can have issues with the fit of the EPH100, they were the most comfy IEMs I've owned.


Edited by Lifted Andreas - 12/20/13 at 9:46am
post #3548 of 4053
So those tips fit then?
post #3549 of 4053

Aren't the M11 tips wider in the nozzle hole?

post #3550 of 4053
Thanks to everyone who has offered assisstance.

I purchased several silicone tips from Meelectronics, for iems with a 6mm nozzle. I also have foam tips coming in from lostearbuds. I will provide detailed information of my findings upon receipt.
post #3551 of 4053
Also: if anyone would like the stock tips for these (all sizes), please pm me. Full disclosure: I've tried them, and they don't fit me. US buyers only.
post #3552 of 4053

Hi Everyone--

 

I may have gotten a fake pair of these iems. I sold the "stock" tips to another Head-Fier, who found that they were very soft, and he was unable to get a seal. He confirmed that, while they look almost identical, they are not. I immediately refunded his money, and he was very cool about it.

 

Now, I need to determine if these are real or not. The best way I can think of is to test these with my TDK IE800s, which are comparable in quality, though different in sound signature. I am listening to some Miles Davis with my TDKs now out of my Fiio X3.


If anyone has any suggestions for how I can determine if they are real, please let me know. I want to be sure they are fake before I go to ebay to complain.

 

Thanks,

Shuto

post #3553 of 4053
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Originally Posted by shuto77 View Post

Hi Everyone--

I may have gotten a fake pair of these iems. I sold the "stock" tips to another Head-Fier, who found that they were very soft, and he was unable to get a seal. He confirmed that, while they look almost identical, they are not. I immediately refunded his money, and he was very cool about it.

Now, I need to determine if these are real or not. The best way I can think of is to test these with my TDK IE800s, which are comparable in quality, though different in sound signature. I am listening to some Miles Davis with my TDKs now out of my Fiio X3.


If anyone has any suggestions for how I can determine if they are real, please let me know. I want to be sure they are fake before I go to ebay to complain.

Thanks,
Shuto

Buy or borrow a confirmed real pair? Or ask someone who has one to provide detailed pics?
post #3554 of 4053
That's good advice. Thanks, Alex.
post #3555 of 4053

Hello Head-fier,


Introduction:

 

From all the IEMs I have, Yamah EPH-100 happen to be the one of top three favorite IEMs of all time. Not only the sound is impressive but its stock tips fit perfectly to my ears.  Although I wear the Yamaha more frequently than other IEMs I have,  the Yamaha has been alive for 1+ years and stayed strong . I purchased my EPH-100 from Amazon.com and from dealer named Amazon too.

 

 

 

I have been looking for the Yamaha's tips (small size) for my JVC's HA-FXD80z because all JVC's stock tips do not fit to my ears. However when fitted with the yamaha tips, it snugs perfectly to my ears and allows JVC to sing excellently with greater isolation and comfort. But, I only have one pair of the yamaha tips which is fitted to my EPH-100, so I decided to look for extra ones. Sadly, Yamaha company does not offer replacement for these great stock tips unless if one bought the whole set.

 

I happen to find shuto777 nicely offering Yamaha tips to any head-fiers because all the tips does not fit to his ears. So, I paid for a pair small sized stock tips to him although he does not really sell the tips( he would just really send it to me for free).  I paid him to show my respect; Yet, I was happy that I did not have to buy whole set for just the stock tips.

 

As I received the tips, I felt the tips are really soft. I compared with my Yamaha's tips and they are different until I tried it. 


The problems:


I experienced the same problem as Shuto777 had. When fitted to the JVC FXD80z, It did not seal perfectly in my ears. I kept figuring out how to get properly fit, shoving it deeper, but somehow my ears got hurt because it formed suction as I pulled it out. Even when fitted to my Yamaha's EPH-100, it did not even fit to my ears too. However, when I went back to my "real" Yamaha tips, they fit and seal perfectly.

 

I realized that the Yamaha tips I received is softer than I thought. It is really soft that a single touch would squish them flat. Even the flange are easier to flip while my Yamaha flanges are more resistant to flip; if anyone tried this, you would know what I mean. In these picture, the top is the one I received, or I assume the "fake", and the bottom is my "real" Yamaha tips. Both tips are cleaned and wiped before the picture are taken

 

 

I also observe that the bottom part of the fake tips shines, like the liquid-like shiny when under the light.  The fake seems to reflect more light than the real ones. The real one do not show shiny characteristic

 

 

Left is the real, right is the fake. Could you tell the difference?

 

 

Additionally, I did couple testing to see how soft the tips are. I use a chopstick, and each are lined at same position. Next, each tips are applied with the same force under the same line position.  Chopstick were used because it is light and it could show you that a light pressure or force could squish the fake ones while the real one are more resistant and stiff.

 

 

the fake. 

 

the real.

 

Fake


Real

 

 

left is fake, right is real.

 

 

I also compare with different medium: I use a pincet (heavy) and large sharpie market ( heavier). On sharpie, the tips are placed under the white mark, which I marked with white paint, so each of them would receive same pressure from the sharpie.

 

fake

 

Real

 

Fake

 

Real

 

 

fake

 

Real

 

 

 

Fake

 

Real

 

 

Discussion:

 

I dont have any experimental equipment to test how soft the tips are. But for further testing, I would look for a small, tubular shape tube to test if the flanges of the fake can easily slide to the tube while the real ones don't. From difference of firmness that I observed, I speculate that the tips I received, or Shuto777's tips, could be fake because the fake is very very soft.  The real one I have is very firm and harder to press. The real flanges hardly get flipped while the fakes flips even when pulled off from my ears. More importantly, the real one bounces when I put chopstick/pincet/sharpie while the fake one just sink and depressed down. It was a struggle to put object above the real one due to bouncy property.

 

If the stock tips deviates from the real ones, I assume Shuto's EPH-100 could be fake as well. I am sending Shuto my large, extra large Yamaha tips to him so he could compare with his and feel the difference (yet he has been unable to use his EPH-100 because nothing fits). At least, it would allow him to give it a listen.  

 

I have never heard any people becoming victims of owning EPH-100 fakes. It is seen as a rumor from Yamaha's Appreciation on post #3532 from this link http://www.head-fi.org/t/577712/yamaha-eph-100/3525#post_10056873. However, people are not quite convinced because both IEMs nearly look identical. But, the difference is prevalent on the firmness difference between the fake and real stock tips. This could point out why Yamaha does not sell EPH-100 stock tips publicly, so no one would fake its authenticity. Further observation will be done on different size, which is large and extra large because they have larger flanges

 

 

I would look forward for more confirmation for this (such as measurement and more physical differences) and hope head-fiers would try to help uncover the counterfeit.  I am angered that such wonderful IEM has (apparently) gotten its fakes!

 

 

Edit: if anyone have a spare or unused small stock tips, please let me know!


Edited by Gandasaputra - 12/24/13 at 1:08am
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