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post #2446 of 3280
8/7/12 at 7:50am
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No, you were prefering the Shures and were about to return the Yamahas. And that would be REALLY strange if you have done so :P

 

It would have also been strange if I woke up one day and found that I actually had Yamaha EPH-100's literally growing on me.... A few sprouting out from under my armpit etc.

 

Anyway overall I think these are good value for £80.... The treble is a bit thin at times with slightly strange decay and they could do with a tiny bit more bass IMO but overall they seem better than anything else under £100...

 

Especially impressive is the depth of the soundstage and also the sepration and instrument placement (impressive to me anyway I don't have much experience with high end pairs)... The vocals on the SE215 are better and I am not amazed with the vocals on the Yamahas but the reproduction of instruments and also electronic music is definately better.... They are not perfect but they are very good for the money...

 

The Shure SE215 seem pretty boring when I use them now and although the Shure are good all rounders they are definately technically inferior to the Yamaha.. They seem quite confined, bloated and muffled compared to the Yamaha.


Edited by nicholars - 8/7/12 at 7:53am
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post #2447 of 3280
8/8/12 at 9:55pm

Has anyone tried messing around with EQ settings on the Yamaha? I tried running mine for a day with the bass pulled down a notch and trble kicked up. I have noticed like everyone else here that the treble isn't as impressive with the buds, and wanted to see what it would be like with them emphasized.

 

Microsoft hasn't implemented a decent equalizer on their Windows Phones and the SQ isn't nearly as nice as the zunes for sure. I find the output kinda balanced though on my arrive, newbie to more hi-fi audio though >.<. Anyways, I played through 192kbps WMAs and 320kbps MP3s running on HTC's Country setting, seemed to be the best fit by toning down base and pulling higher trebles up, and going thru a E11 because I think it widens the soundstage a bit more even though I have no LOD output. Just turned my phone's EQ off with some EDM playing, and II immediately felt that kind of EQ setting makes for night and day difference between uneq'd and eq'd output. Without it, the EPH-100 definitely gives off a really nice warm atmosphere with its bass. It feels, "fun"ner, that's the best way I can put it. Putting the bass away in the back and pulling the trebles forward does amazing things for my experience though; bass is sitll there but not as "in your face", mids and treble kinda take up the soundstage on its own.

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post #2448 of 3280
8/8/12 at 11:46pm
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Originally Posted by ablahblah View Post

Has anyone tried messing around with EQ settings on the Yamaha? I tried running mine for a day with the bass pulled down a notch and trble kicked up. I have noticed like everyone else here that the treble isn't as impressive with the buds, and wanted to see what it would be like with them emphasized.

Microsoft hasn't implemented a decent equalizer on their Windows Phones and the SQ isn't nearly as nice as the zunes for sure. I find the output kinda balanced though on my arrive, newbie to more hi-fi audio though >.<. Anyways, I played through 192kbps WMAs and 320kbps MP3s running on HTC's Country setting, seemed to be the best fit by toning down base and pulling higher trebles up, and going thru a E11 because I think it widens the soundstage a bit more even though I have no LOD output. Just turned my phone's EQ off with some EDM playing, and II immediately felt that kind of EQ setting makes for night and day difference between uneq'd and eq'd output. Without it, the EPH-100 definitely gives off a really nice warm atmosphere with its bass. It feels, "fun"ner, that's the best way I can put it. Putting the bass away in the back and pulling the trebles forward does amazing things for my experience though; bass is sitll there but not as "in your face", mids and treble kinda take up the soundstage on its own.

I used to EQ a lot, though these days not so much, probably only a fraction of what I was. Some of the best advice I was given about EQing was rather than lift frequency sliders increasing the high end for example, leave them flat and instead lower bass frequency's. (more or less do it reverse) I found it provides a much nicer tone because you're not colouring the sound as much. So, I guess in some circumstances less is always better than more.

Anyway, today was the day I decided my EPH-100 will go to a new home. I'm just not using them enough since upgrading my TF10 cable (which is completely amazing) I see no point in keeping them any longer. They were cool for a while, but with the likes of GRO7 now broken in along with TF10 I'm not feeling the love anymore. They see no air time.

I guess this is the part where I put in a shameless plug about the sale? Yes, lets.....

They're absolutely spotless never left the house and looking for a new home in Australia. (good price / excellent condition)

In that signature down there you can find out more. wink.gif
Edited by H20Fidelity - 8/9/12 at 12:14am
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post #2449 of 3280
8/9/12 at 2:05am

sorry to see your leaving the club h20, Iv got the triple fi. re shelled into a custom (couldn't stand the fit of the original shell) definitely something you should look at.  I prefer the yams sound but love the sound comfort levels of custom fi 10.

 

Anyway i had contacted fisher (where i got mine originally while living stateside) anyway I'm in the UK now and my gf had wanted a set,  $85 for shipping put me right off, especially when digizoid are fixing my zo and return postage is 5.50.

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post #2450 of 3280
8/9/12 at 2:18am
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sorry to see your leaving the club h20, Iv got the triple fi. re shelled into a custom (couldn't stand the fit of the original shell) definitely something you should look at.  I prefer the yams sound but love the sound comfort levels of custom fi 10.

Anyway i had contacted fisher (where i got mine originally while living stateside) anyway I'm in the UK now and my gf had wanted a set,  $85 for shipping put me right off, especially when digizoid are fixing my zo and return postage is 5.50.

Thanks stozzer, twas fun while it lasted. I'll still pop in time to time while my audio memory is fresh to guide the noobs. wink.gif

Luckily I get a decent fit with TF10, but there are comfort factors I dislike about them.. Surprisngly my new cable allows a shallower insertion which is a mjor plus.

Postage is a killer. Why not Audio Affair?
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post #2451 of 3280
8/9/12 at 2:40am

Sorry for the eph i was able to pick them up at guitar guitar in Glasgow for 72.   I was meaning that a new set of re shells for another set of tf10 for the gf would be 90 for the re shell and then 85 for postage.... crazy stuff.  

 

Or are you meaning audio affair can rearrange custom re shells? 

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post #2452 of 3280
8/9/12 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by stozzer123 View Post

Sorry for the eph i was able to pick them up at guitar guitar in Glasgow for 72.   I was meaning that a new set of re shells for another set of tf10 for the gf would be 90 for the re shell and then 85 for postage.... crazy stuff.  

Or are you meaning audio affair can rearrange custom re shells? 

Arrrk ok, no I wasn't, no they can't. Total mix up. Happens to the best of us. smile.gif
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post #2453 of 3280
8/9/12 at 2:47am

Np,   lol u had my hopes up for a second biggrin.gif

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post #2454 of 3280
8/9/12 at 5:47am

I think I am going to swap these because I do not like the treble on them.... Not so much the amount, just I don't like the way it is presented with short decay times.... It sounds quite feeble for example a cymbal should be like "TSSHHHH" and on the EPH-100 it is more like "tssh"...

 

Can someone who has owned both the EPH-100 and the GR07 tell me what the bass is like compared between them? I dont mind EQ'ing the bass but is it significantly weaker on the GR07? I dont really want much less than the EPH-100 bass although I could live with a tiny bit less in exchange for more natural sound / better treble but not a lot.

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post #2455 of 3280
8/9/12 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I think I am going to swap these because I do not like the treble on them.... Not so much the amount, just I don't like the way it is presented with short decay times.... It sounds quite feeble for example a cymbal should be like "TSSHHHH" and on the EPH-100 it is more like "tssh"...

Can someone who has owned both the EPH-100 and the GR07 tell me what the bass is like compared between them? I dont mind EQ'ing the bass but is it significantly weaker on the GR07? I dont really want much less than the EPH-100 bass although I could live with a tiny bit less in exchange for more natural sound / better treble but not a lot.

Lesser amount but better quality, probably just under 3/4 of EPH-100 bass quantity with better detail and low end extension (minus the mid bass hump) .It will sound quite different without as much punch compared but better tonality. what I'd call quality bass. If you can adapt I doubt you'll want to change back. If I EQ it there's plenty enough, GRO7 is far from bass shy done that way with the right source. I think GRO7 has the treble you're looking for, but remember it's a completely different signature and probably best described as more "adult focused" meaning, if you're basshead that simply want tons of bass you won't find it in GRO7. Instead a more balanced quality sound.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 8/9/12 at 6:13am
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post #2456 of 3280
8/9/12 at 6:12am

No I want all the usual things that make a nice sound eg. High quality but not too bright treble, good soundstage, imaging, warm smooth midrange etc etc etc. But I don't want some headphones which sound bass shy and puny because I want a good foundation to the sound eg. Strong sub bass below 100hz. If they have enough quantity to make them sound warm and powerfull and also excellent quality then I could adapt to slightly less bass.... I am not a bass head that wants only good bass.. I want a good overall sound... But I prefer a thick, warm sound as opposed to a thin, analytical sound... Do you think they will be suitable?

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post #2457 of 3280
8/9/12 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

No I want all the usual things that make a nice sound eg. High quality but not too bright treble, good soundstage, imaging, warm smooth midrange etc etc etc. But I don't want some headphones which sound bass shy and puny because I want a good foundation to the sound eg. Strong sub bass below 100hz. If they have enough quantity to make them sound warm and powerfull and also excellent quality then I could adapt to slightly less bass.... I am not a bass head that wants only good bass.. I want a good overall sound... But I prefer a thick, warm sound as opposed to a thin, analytical sound... Do you think they will be suitable?

I think the sub / bass will be fine after reading your above post, GRO7 can go low and extend pretty deep when a track calls it and, in turn also behave it'self very well unless needed, what's different is it separates from the mid and high range very well though overall still presents warmth. The areas covered in your top sentence are present in GRO7. I'm just concerned you might find them a little thin because that mid bass hump doesn't colour the dynamics as much compared. Put it this way, I can't stand thin signatures they really turn me off. But with GRO7 they're a delight to my ears. It's a very clear sound that I wouldn't describe as bright or thin.

Hopefully eke , putente or some others can explain a little further. They've had both. The more comparisons you can get the better I say before choosing.
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post #2458 of 3280
8/9/12 at 6:38am

H20 hits it pretty much dead on (although i prefer everything about the eph) the gr07 is a great phone smooth and accurate and in my experience a bump or 2 on the E11 or Zo makes them sing more in bass terms.  They  wont have that unique extreme fun sound of the eph but this is not to suggest the gr07 are not fun, great phones and i see why people hold in such esteem.   Oh and the cable is just utterly fantastic, like really really awesome.  Its apples to oranges but for a balanced dynamic the gr07 is right up there, they pretty much changed the game in the way the bio-celulose achieved sound using a dynamic.

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post #2459 of 3280
8/9/12 at 6:38am

Yes I am a little worried about this because I am used to a "mid bass hump" in the HD650 and Shure Se215 and I do like a sound which is a bit thicker in the lower midrange and bass.... Maybe these can be EQ'd to have more of a lower midrange?

 

Judging by the amount of reports of how good they sound it might be worth me trying them but I am just a bit worried that they will be too thin and analytical, I want them as all rounders for all genres including electronic music, classical, rock, metal, etc etc. Bit of everything but I do like a decent bass quantity and some emphasis in the area below about 800hz. I dont mind if this can be acheived with EQ. I want quality and a good amount of quantity as well and the one thing I really dislike is a thin, tinny sound.


Edited by nicholars - 8/9/12 at 6:40am
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post #2460 of 3280
8/9/12 at 9:00am
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Yes I am a little worried about this because I am used to a "mid bass hump" in the HD650 and Shure Se215 and I do like a sound which is a bit thicker in the lower midrange and bass.... Maybe these can be EQ'd to have more of a lower midrange?

 

Judging by the amount of reports of how good they sound it might be worth me trying them but I am just a bit worried that they will be too thin and analytical, I want them as all rounders for all genres including electronic music, classical, rock, metal, etc etc. Bit of everything but I do like a decent bass quantity and some emphasis in the area below about 800hz. I dont mind if this can be acheived with EQ. I want quality and a good amount of quantity as well and the one thing I really dislike is a thin, tinny sound.

 

EPH-100 is one of the most all rounder phone you can find... definitely not analytical or thin... but it is also not thick either, while still have sufficient detail...

 

If you love HD650, you will love this... I give one sentence to summarize EPH-100: A fun phone done right...

 

Hopefully help you deciding...

 

EDIT: sorry, I misunderstood... so apparently you already have one... Yes the treble on EPH-100 is missing the shimmer... it is because it lack of "energy" on the range of 7-8KHz... see here... http://rinchoi.blogspot.in/2012/07/yamaha-eph-100.html


Edited by dw1narso - 8/9/12 at 9:05am
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