Final JH3A revision Impressions - Page 7

So, do we know if the new product will have active crossovers?  I understand "seemingly offering what the JH3A could not deliver and the "possibly" could sound better, but I think we'd be better off knowing what are the differences and the sound qualities when the product is in someone's hands.

Everyone is so concerned with "better" or "best" on here lol. At the end of the day the JH3A and the pp6 are likely to have very different sound signatures and therefore suit different people.

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Originally Posted by danpong 

Well isn't it our goal here in the first place to discuss and try to figure out what is better or best here. So we can finally decide which setup we are going to get to ultimately enjoy the music within each of our budget. There are many great post on this forum that really help new headfier to really start on this audiophile journey. I myself learn so many things here that I've never thought of even reading about it before.

I didn't mean to make a general comment about the whole forum.  I'm not against deciding what's best with any particular characteristic ie. what has the best bass or what has the best soundstage etc. I meant just in regard to this jh3a vs pp6 debate what is "best" is subjective. A blanket statement like "the platform pure is best" doesn't make much sense. The pp6 will likely be the "best" in terms of technology but it will still have a different sound signature to the jh3a. People who appreciate the bass of the jh16 may still be disappointed by the pp6.

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Originally Posted by wahu 

I didn't mean to make a general comment about the whole forum.  I'm not against deciding what's best with any particular characteristic ie. what has the best bass or what has the best soundstage etc. I meant just in regard to this jh3a vs pp6 debate what is "best" is subjective. A blanket statement like "the platform pure is best" doesn't make much sense. The pp6 will likely be the "best" in terms of technology but it will still have a different sound signature to the jh3a. People who appreciate the bass of the jh16 may still be disappointed by the pp6.

Well.

We know the PP6 will have active cross overs, so if it implemented well.  You can't say it isn't better.  It will hands down be better technically, which is a vital aspect, and considering UM's track record, I doubt that it won't be as good or better than the JH3A.  It just has so much more potential.  There will always be a difference in personal opinion, but raw technicalities and specifications are something that can't be debated.

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Originally Posted by Cassadian 

 

Well.

 

We know the PP6 will have active cross overs, so if it implemented well.  You can't say it isn't better.  It will hands down be better technically, which is a vital aspect, and considering UM's track record, I doubt that it won't be as good or better than the JH3A.  It just has so much more potential.  There will always be a difference in personal opinion, but raw technicalities and specifications are something that can't be debated.

I agree it has the ability to be better technically but there we've already put a descriptor on what the better refers to. I'd like to avoid a semantic debate if possible but you still can't say the pp6 will be better overall just because it's technically better either.  It's like with the mclaren mp4-12c vs the ferrari 458. Every review says the mclaren is better on paper and faster round a track but every review also says the ferrari is much more fun to drive and much better overall.

In a way I'm kinda playing devils advocate here cuz I'm pretty sure I'd prefer the pp6 as I didn't like the jh16 when I tested it cuz it had too much mid bass for me.

You cant say that, cause the only thing we know about the Pure6 is that it will have a active crossover, they have said nothing about perfect phase and time alignment, which is significantly more important than having an active crossover to sound quality

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Originally Posted by danpong 

Well let's get back to JH3A impression topic here. Where Mcmaz? I bet he is busy listening and burning his new JH3A. If you see this post, pleaseeeee take sometime off and shed us some light on how is it and what you think about the system.

Got my setup yesterday but had to send the amp back as the digital in wasn't working. They are over-nighting one today. I only got to spend a few minutes with the analog portion before I sent it right back overnight (paid by JH). So as of right now I am using the 16s with the adapter and a Fiio E17. The one downside I have found even with this setup is that the 16s really reveal music that is not recorded very well but you are rewarded with music that is recorded well with great detail. On one live classical piece I could hear the musicians taking big breaths before they would perform an aggressive passage as if to get more energy into it. I could even hear the string players parking their bows when they were not playing. I also find them very sensitive to adjustments with bass and treble on the Fiio. The E17s adjustments aren't fine enough for these. Hopefully I have the new amp tomorrow or Friday then I can give it a good go with different sources and music. I already know these are going to be great for classical, jazz, acoustic, vocalists, etc. Even with this setup I am using the music is equally fuller across low/mid/high. Also, they fit like a glove with great isolation and I can't even feel them in my ears after a couple of minutes. Great job there. Had them out walking my dog for a couple of hours yesterday and today and no sound transfer from the cord. Here's a pic of the lonesome 16s.

thank you Mcmaz, good to hear that JH is covering the problem for you.  They should test them before ship to you.  Look like they still can't control the quality of there chinese manufacture company that they use yet.  However, it is great to hear that the seal of the earpiece is good and sound great for you.  Please keep us posted I really like to read more on what you find with the full setup of the amp.  I just sold my HD800 so I'm ready to make this purchase just to make sure I make the right one.

Thank you again for your input.

Dan

So what difference do you guys hear A/Bing JH16 alone and with the JH3A?

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Originally Posted by Girls Generation 

So what difference do you guys hear A/Bing JH16 alone and with the JH3A?

To my knowledge there is nobody who owns both the JH3A and the JH16. It seems like quite a waste to do so as well

Technically, if you don't use the 3a amp and simply connect the adaptor with the earphones that should be considered as a standalone JH16s correct?

It should be easy to compare then!

That depends on whether the JH16 and JH3A-JH16 are truly identical in sound. 

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Originally Posted by Girls Generation 

So what difference do you guys hear A/Bing JH16 alone and with the JH3A?

I only had about an hour with my 3A with LOD from a Rockboxed 5G ipod before I sent it back to be replaced but the sound was really balanced and equal across lo/mid/high. The bass management control adds more bass to the mix but all other elements remain unaffected. I think if you were trying to learn bass lines from a song this would really help as it can really bring the details of the bass out but does not muddy the mix. Should have my new amp tomorrow, I will spend a few days with it and several styles of music so I can get a good impression. As far as the 16s alone with the adapter cable, they remain nicely balanced and very easy to drive. The short time I had with the 3A in analog mode easily blew away the E17/computer combo or E17/ipod combo. When I get my amp back I will break it down into analog, USB, and 24/96 Coax and compare it with a few things, but I have a feeling it is going to be tough to find a better mate than an amp that is made specifically for a set of phones.