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post #376 of 402

Well, if the sound signature and the way this is presented technically so much better, then a bit more sound stage is meaningless to me. I personally find the value of sound stage on headphones overrated anyways, as I love it when the sound is in me, not far away from me. I got my first set of headphones back in 1975 and I bet they had no sound stage at all. So I love my music most when it is pure and intimate, love to sit on the drums literally. Maybe I am not the best judge for this.

 

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Edited by pietcux - 10/25/13 at 2:07pm
post #377 of 402
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

I got my first set of headphones back in 1975 and I bet they had no sound stage at all. So I love my music most when it is pure and intimate, love to sit on the drums literally. Maybe I am not the best judge for this.
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Well, my Senn HD 540 is from 1986 and its soundstage is as wide as the Q701's one, with a much better imaging.
And the 540 sounds very intimitate thanks to a front-row presentation.
I don't think soundstage and intimacy are mutually exclusive of each other.
Proximity to the singer, for example, doesn't necessarily reduce the soundstage. With a good recording and imaging, you will perceive the RELATIVE position and distance to the others members/instruments of the band, and this is what gives a good sense of space (the ABSOLUT distance in meters between them isn't that important, it's not the reference criteria).
Like you, I also love proximity and intimacy with my music.
I hate laid back, "in the hall" or last-row presentations. It's the opposite than what I'm looking for.

I have no doubt that the DJ destroys the 2900 in terms of bass (and other criteria).
But, imo open headphones provide a way superior sense of space and realism, with better separation, air and imaging.
Hope you don't get me wrong... and sorry for my bad english.
Edited by Hairspray - 10/26/13 at 3:41am
post #378 of 402

I have 2500's, are the 2900's the updated version of them?  I've just decide to return my AKG712's, can't justify the £330 cost, although I'm dreading how much the return postage will cost. Can't remember how much I paid for these but I'm a little miffed at Ultrasone, they do cheap then they do really expensive. There is a big gap between their models and at £330 are these 2900's worth the money - how much have they improved them over mine?

 

All this messing about and here I am back to my trusty bombproof Ultrasone's listening to many different CDs and they all sound great.

post #379 of 402

The Pro2900 is the update to the Pro2500 in that it is open and utilizes a titanium driver, I have had both and would say that the midrange is a lot more present and warmer in the Pro2900. The bass is bigger but with less subbass. The Pro2900 has an overall warmer tilt to the sound and its tonality reminds of the Sennheiser HD600/650 albeit with slightly distant mids and better defined bass - and no veil to speak of. I personally preferred the Pro2900 out of the two by a great margin and sold off my Pro2500s. The Pro2900 is one of the most underrated headphones on head fi IMO - great sound, soundstage and very non fatigueing.


Edited by bookaboo - 10/30/13 at 7:28pm
post #380 of 402
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The Pro2900 is the update to the Pro2500 in that it is open and utilizes a titanium driver, I have had both and would say that the midrange is a lot more present and warmer in the Pro2900. The bass is bigger but with less subbass. The Pro2900 has an overall warmer tilt to the sound and its tonality reminds of the Sennheiser HD600/650 albeit with slightly distant mids and better defined bass - and no veil to speak of. I personally preferred the Pro2900 out of the two by a great margin and sold off my Pro2500s. The Pro2900 is one of the most underrated headphones on head fi IMO - great sound, soundstage and very non fatigueing.

 

Man... my finger is shaking on the trigger... :tongue_smile:

I just want to be sure that the Pro 2900's bass is really better than the K712's and modded Q701's bass, both in quantity and quality.

Is it the best BASS open back headphone under $1000 ?

post #381 of 402

I would say it has one of the best bass response of any open headphone under $800. It is big, defined but not boomy and it goes deep. I'm selling mine atm http://www.head-fi.org/t/686813/ultrasone-pro2900-headphones-price-drop. I really like them and have held off selling for a while but find I'm listening to my grados a lot more these days. But every time I put on the Pro2900 I wonder why I don't just keep them - they're great with any music, pretty much how you described your experience with the pro2500.

post #382 of 402
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Man... my finger is shaking on the trigger... :tongue_smile:

I just want to be sure that the Pro 2900's bass is really better than the K712's and modded Q701's bass, both in quantity and quality.

Is it the best BASS open back headphone under $1000 ?

 

The bass on the 2900 is miles away from the 701. Both in extension and quantity. 

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Originally Posted by bookaboo View Post
 

The Pro2900 is the update to the Pro2500 in that it is open and utilizes a titanium driver, I have had both and would say that the midrange is a lot more present and warmer in the Pro2900. The bass is bigger but with less subbass. The Pro2900 has an overall warmer tilt to the sound and its tonality reminds of the Sennheiser HD600/650 albeit with slightly distant mids and better defined bass - and no veil to speak of. I personally preferred the Pro2900 out of the two by a great margin and sold off my Pro2500s. The Pro2900 is one of the most underrated headphones on head fi IMO - great sound, soundstage and very non fatigueing.

 

I fin the 2900 to be very different from the 650. The 650 is dark, mid-centric. The 2900 is brght and bassy - but in a good way. Except it can fatigue me sometimes. But then - I am very easily fatigued and generally avoid even slighlty bright headphones. The 2900, however I have kept because of itæs calrity and exceptional bass. 

 

I also find the 2900 to have a very special "out of the head" soundstage. 


Edited by ardilla - 11/28/13 at 2:22pm
post #383 of 402
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The bass on the 2900 is miles away from the 701. Both in extension and quantity. 
K701 or all 7xx versions?
I'm asking this because K701, regular Q701, modded Q701 and K712 have a different bass response.
post #384 of 402
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K701 or all 7xx versions?
I'm asking this because K701, regular Q701, modded Q701 and K712 have a different bass response.

Haven't heard the 712, but no mod can make the 701/2 close to 2900. It's night and day with regards to quantity and extension
post #385 of 402

Hi!

 

I'm considering buying the Ultrasone Pro 2900/900 for producing and mixing electronic dance music (to some degree, for late-night-sessions).

 

1. Would one of these be a good buy over the Sennheiser HD650 for my use?

2. Which one would suite me best, either the Pro 2900 or Pro 900? (note, I'm not going to record anything, only produce).

3. Will the amp/dac "Audioquest Dragonfly" fit well to one of the Ultrasone's? 

 

Thanks :-) Having a hard time chosing the right setup. 

post #386 of 402
The 2900 is rather bright and bossy, HD650 is warmer sounding. They are opposites, in a way. Neither is very neutral, why'd you settle on these two? I would use the HD650 if I had a good amp with it, because it's less excessive in the extremes.
post #387 of 402
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Originally Posted by toriboi View Post
 

Hi!

 

I'm considering buying the Ultrasone Pro 2900/900 for producing and mixing electronic dance music (to some degree, for late-night-sessions).

 

1. Would one of these be a good buy over the Sennheiser HD650 for my use?

2. Which one would suite me best, either the Pro 2900 or Pro 900? (note, I'm not going to record anything, only produce).

3. Will the amp/dac "Audioquest Dragonfly" fit well to one of the Ultrasone's? 

 

Thanks :-) Having a hard time chosing the right setup. 

Pro2900 is very good. A lot more even sound signature than the Pro900 which has very scooped mids. I actually preferred the Pro2900 to both the HD600 and HD650. You just need to let yourself adjust to the S logic way of presenting things - once you do there is no going back. I now have the Signature pro - they are more refined than the Pro2900 for sure but it is not that big a step up in reality.The Pro2900 is the best bang for buck in the ultrasone lineup IMO. Just let them burn in for 300hrs before you pass judgemnet as they are a bit uneven until the titanium drivers loosen up a bit.  

post #388 of 402
The best of the PRO lineup is the PRO 550 or the DJ PRO. They have a 50 mm mylar driver that is not prone with sybilance at all. I had the PRO 2900/900 and only kept the PRO 550.
post #389 of 402
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

The best of the PRO lineup is the PRO 550 or the DJ PRO. They have a 50 mm mylar driver that is not prone with sybilance at all. I had the PRO 2900/900 and only kept the PRO 550.

I would almost agree with you on everything except that I couldn't justify getting the 550 over the 900 because there was a dramatically noticeable difference in soundstage and imaging for me.Even considering the price, I felt that the Pro 900 delivered more precise instrument placement than the 550s (I imagine this carries over to the Pro 2900 as they are the same except it's open). I honestly doubt it is because of the "S-Logic Plus" vs. the "S-Logic" older version on the 550s; it probably has more to do with the quickness of the slightly smaller driver. It wasn't like the 40mm driver had less bass and presence than the 50mm so I opted for the wider soundstage of Pro 900s. 

post #390 of 402
It is the prominent treble that enlarge the soundstage. But for me those treble caused to sell the PRO 2900 and 900 after buying the Signature PRO and DJ. Both have absolute no treble sybilance. And the PRO 550 is still with me because it is comfortable and also has this good soundstage as being closed. It is still my main can for PC gaming.
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