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post #16 of 25

One thing to be careful about with the Panasonic is that, although it does have a nice musical quality and excellent value for the price, I found it lacked clarity compared to higher-end headphones like my Grado SR 80is and Audio-Technica M50s. They didn't pull off bass attack to the same effect. They're still very fun to listen to, but it is worth noting some of the weaknesses of the lower end model. I would expect the Ultrasone to have a much greater more detail, if that is something you are looking for in music.

post #17 of 25

Are you stuck on closed headphones?  If so, the Panasonics, while a great value, leak sound like crazy and are not the best for the genre's you enjoy (lack of detail/rolled off highs).  If open designs are being considered, Fischer FA-011 should be your choice.  Has everything you're looking for, minus portability/closed.

 

Your two main requirements don't go together.  Unfortunately, there is no closed can with both Deep bass and large soundstage that I can think of.  The best of what I've demo'ed (in your price range and closed) would be Ultrasone Pro 550/HFi-780.  The 550's sound very similar to the HFI-580's with a much wider soundstage and slightly better mids.  550's do well enough for most gaming, but don't have that great of soundstage for FPS.

 

If I were you, I'd go for the Fischers of you can handle sound leakage as they will perform the best (sound-wise) for you, otherwise go for the 580's, they're arguably the best for your music tastes, decent for games and private/portable.


 

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Originally Posted by daylight View Post

Hi,

I have narrowed down my choices to these headphones and would like to see what others might suggest who actually listened to these cans.

What I want from headphones are mainly DEEP BASS and LARGE SOUNDSTAGE as I'm going to listen to progressive house / tech house / dubstep type of music and play FPS online games on PC. Headphones should also be comfortable for long session wearing. My source is currently onboard audio (realtek HD) and Nokia 5530 XM phone. I might upgrade to better source in future if I'm not happy or maybe I will buy headphones + portable amp like FiiO E7 but I don't know if it's worth it. By budget is about £100-150.

 

I like the design of Ultrasones better because they can fold nicely but that's about it, the main thing is of course how they sound compared to each other.



 


Edited by derycksan - 10/25/11 at 9:20am
post #18 of 25

I really enjoy my Panasonics, but I feel the same way you do.  I listen to alot of downtempo, trance, glitch, and trip hop so the lost detail and slightly recessed highs make that music kind of drab.  And while they produce damn good bass for a $30 can, they do not touch my Ultrasones.  Pretty damn good budget gaming can though.
 

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Originally Posted by SanjiWatsuki View Post

One thing to be careful about with the Panasonic is that, although it does have a nice musical quality and excellent value for the price, I found it lacked clarity compared to higher-end headphones like my Grado SR 80is and Audio-Technica M50s. They didn't pull off bass attack to the same effect. They're still very fun to listen to, but it is worth noting some of the weaknesses of the lower end model. I would expect the Ultrasone to have a much greater more detail, if that is something you are looking for in music.



 

post #19 of 25

Add a low cost computer sound card, like the Asus Xonar DG (PCI)

It comes with a decent built in headphone amplifier,

which should improve whatever headphones you get.

Also the Xonar DG comes with Dolby Headphone 5.1.

 

I liked the sound of my CALs, before I stepped on them.

post #20 of 25

I have both the CAL's and the panasonics....I like them both.  the CAL's are more sensitive and run well off low powered sources while the panasonics like a little more juice.  The CAL's don't leak at all while the htf600's do leak (but not like my grado's).  I like the bass impact of both, but the CAL's go lower.  And I think the CAL's have slightly more detail and are more comfortable (as long as you don't have large ears, they are circumaural).  I really enjoy both and listen to both.  But I do disturb others with the panny's more than the CAL's.  The CAL's also appear to be made to a higher quality than the panny's, too.  I like the short cord on the CAL's but appreciate the one sided cord of the panny's.  Where I am in Australia, they both cost similar prices.

 

Not sure if I have helped.....

post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 

BigDave, can you compare the soundstage of these two? Which would be better for pinpointing footsteps in online fps game?

 

p.s. Already placed an order for HTF600, hope I made the right choice.

 

Thank you for your time and suggestions, especially Dsnuts for saving my cash :)


Edited by daylight - 10/26/11 at 9:01am
post #22 of 25

Hmmm....don't really use headphones for gaming.  If we are talking soundstage, then I feel like the panny's have a bigger soundstage, but only slightly (it is not like an ad700 soundstage which I also have).

post #23 of 25

The soundstage is mid wide boxy. Which once you get used to becomes the backbone of the sound on the HTF600. It has lesser sound stage than The Ad700.,Even better the Samson Sr850 both have big wide soundstage. The Ad700 has too much imo.. For big wide MP games the AD700 are good but where the HTF600 shine is the single player experience. The full on bass will hit you in the head with a combo of a decent soundcard will give you a THX like experience is the best way to describe it. Making playing games and does directional sound exceptionally well and super comfy with velours.. For the price definitely a great all rounder including games and movies. It is worth way more than why they charge imo.

post #24 of 25
What kind of packaging does the panasonic come in? Is it something I can try out and send back to amazon or is it one of those stupidly hard to open plastics that rip your fingers off and are unsalvagable. They seem like a great buy but the isolation is a bit of a downer. If they are going to leak sound anyway they might as well be open and benefit from the larger soundstage.

The CALs are also extremely tempting. Although they cost twice as much they are potable and can be driven from my clip+. Also having tried the d1100 in a shop, they were the most confortable headphones I've worn so the cals should be similar/better.

What are the negative for either? Do they need to be amped or can my clip+ or asus transformer tablet drive them at low listening levels.
post #25 of 25

If it's not too late, i don't understand why the conversation veered away from the Denons. The Denons crap all over every other headphone mentioned in this thread, and are perfect for what you wanted...big soundstage, ultra-clear and accurate mids and highs, and extended but controlled bass that snap slightly more into focus nicely after burn-in.

I have the Denons and they sound better than anything else i have ever owned, period. I find them like a drug when i am listening to them, they simply never put a foot wrong and stay true to the source music better than any headphone i've listened to and i've listened to them all.

This is all about truth and not semantics right? Well then get the Denons, i thoroughly and wholeheartedly recommend them, they are easy to drive and give decent volume without an amp, but with a quality amp (i use the 'Go-Vibe mini box amplifier') they sound simply unbeatable, best $170 i ever spent man, no joke. Beats-by-dre and sony and all other headphone manufacturers simply can't match this IMO, i've done the testing, and don't talk to me about Shure 840's etc, i owned them and they are quite simply junk, no joke, and the cliche overstated ATH M-50's are just hyped mediocre 'I also ran' headphones. The Denons have clarity all round, 'accurate' tone all over, nice punchy bass, excellent stereo imaging, and fast dynamic response to frequency transients, simply unbeatable i reckon. My Grado's and all my other headphone brands now have to take a back-seat, simple as that.

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