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HFI-580 vs. AH-D1100 vs. CAL! vs. HTF-600-S

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

Hi,

I have narrowed down my choices to these headphones and would like to see what others might suggest who actually listened to these cans.

What I want from headphones are mainly DEEP BASS and LARGE SOUNDSTAGE as I'm going to listen to progressive house / tech house / dubstep type of music and play FPS online games on PC. Headphones should also be comfortable for long session wearing. My source is currently onboard audio (realtek HD) and Nokia 5530 XM phone. I might upgrade to better source in future if I'm not happy or maybe I will buy headphones + portable amp like FiiO E7 but I don't know if it's worth it. By budget is about £100-150.

 

I like the design of Ultrasones better because they can fold nicely but that's about it, the main thing is of course how they sound compared to each other.

post #2 of 25

I have read that the AH-D1000 and Creative Aurana Live! use the same drivers.  The Creative Aurvana Live! sounded better to me and are a third the price when on sale.  I vote the Creative Aurvana Live!  You will save money and enjoy a rich sound that scales well with amping.


Edited by NA Blur - 10/23/11 at 2:39pm
post #3 of 25

I have the HFI-580s/Dj1s  Very nice for bass heavy tunes, not so comfy but acceptable with clamp. Games ok

I have the Creative Aurvana Lives.,, Good all rounder but bass is kinda fuzzy and undefined. Games better.

 

Get the Panasonic HTF600-S instead.. Comfy, great for bass heavy tunes, the best for gaming out of the 3. Cheap. Currently catching on fire in the community.. I highly recommend them..I like my Dj1s but the comfort is just ok at best. You have to get used to the clamp and stretch them out. .

 

I used my HTF600s with velour pads for BF3 beta.. .Fantastic directional sound and the bass is on a similar level to the XB sonys.  Very nice cans for the price and one I have been recommending to everyone as they cost $30-$40.

 

Read about them here.. Go to the beginning of the thread for reviews http://www.head-fi.org/t/571005/the-panasonic-rp-htf600-s-headphones-more-fun-than-the-hd650/990#post_7842834


Edited by Dsnuts - 10/23/11 at 2:52pm
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 

ok now choosing is even more complicated :)

 

- Ultrasone HFI 580

- Denon AHD1100

- Creative Aurvana Live!

- Panasonic HTF600-S

 

I know that Creative Aurvana Live! headphones attracts fingerprints and dirt so much like nothing else especially on glossy metallic surface. Panasonic price equals my current gaming headset SteelSeries 4H so I don't know if panasonic will be an upgrade. I've already sold my headset and will definitely buy some good headphones to use them for next five years. It's too bad I can't listen to these 4 headphones myself to decide which one to choose.

 

I'd like a fusion of AD700 soundstage and XB700 bass in closed headphones for about £100 or less. This will be my first step to better headphones because previously I owned cheap gaming headset and want something better not only for games but music also. Which of these 4 has best soundstage?

post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by daylight View Post

ok now choosing is even more complicated :)

 

- Ultrasone HFI 580

- Denon AHD1100

- Creative Aurvana Live!

- Panasonic HTF600-S

 

I know that Creative Aurvana Live! headphones attracts fingerprints and dirt so much like nothing else especially on glossy metallic surface. Panasonic price equals my current gaming headset SteelSeries 4H so I don't know if panasonic will be an upgrade. I've already sold my headset and will definitely buy some good headphones to use them for next five years. It's too bad I can't listen to these 4 headphones myself to decide which one to choose.

 

I'd like a fusion of AD700 soundstage and XB700 bass in closed headphones for about £100 or less. This will be my first step to better headphones because previously I owned cheap gaming headset and want something better not only for games but music also. Which of these 4 has best soundstage?


Just because the HTF600s are cheap that definitely does not mean they are cheap sounding. In fact the opposite..You want a great set of cans that are comfy. sound awesome in game and in music. The HTF600 have better sound stage than the CALs. The ulttrasone HFI-580s are great cans but comfort level they are lacking. They clamp real good.. The HTF600 win in comfort and will give you just as much musical quality as the HFI-580.. Just as much Bass if not more so. 

 

I am not kidding in that regard. The HTF600s are more semi open so they have wider stage.  They will make your steel series gaming headphones seem lame in comparison. They won't just be a upgrade. They will be a substantial upgrade .  I own 3 out of the 4 you listed. I would take my HTF600 over all of them for your needs... And I am a gamer.  They sound awesome for games.. Look on my thread there are guys that own cans that cost 10X more that love the HTF600s. 

 


Edited by Dsnuts - 10/24/11 at 11:00am
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 

I hope European version is the same as you have. By the way, silver color looks really bad. I prefer the black version, but I think it's only available in US...

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-RP-HTF600-S-Step-Monitor/dp/B004MMEI8W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319482318&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-RP-HTF600E-S-High-HiFi-Headphone/dp/B002R5ABPU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319479969&sr=8-1

 

Have read about additional velour pads but can't find these on amazon.co.uk ...

 

Beyerdynamic EDT 200 Velour Padded Earcushions for DT250, DT280, Sony MDR7506 and V6 Headphones (Pair)

only available on amazon.com


Edited by daylight - 10/24/11 at 11:53am
post #7 of 25

The velour pads are not a 100% necessity. I would try them without first.. They do add to the comfort level but. They are already clamp light. There are several guys that have the HTF-600-E version. They are the same as the S version. I am certain of this.  Try one out and see what you think.. I know coming on here, I bet you thought someone was going to recommend a much more expensive can for your needs.

 

The one thing these Panasonic HTF600s will make you realize is . You don't need to spend a lot of money to get a great sounding/ performing set of cans. If any of the ones you mentioned was actually a better can than these Panasonics I would be the first person to tell you so. I know it is hard to believe that such a cheaper headphone can be recommendable over the higher end cans you mentioned.  The reason why these HTF600s are being sold out everywhere is because they literally sound so much more expensive for the cost.

 

If you look at my thread you will see. .Many that have bought them are buying more than one to give to people and to spread the word on them. They are astounding for the cost..If you had the Creative Auvana Live and then bought a HTF600. You would have been angry because the HTF600s will be that much better in every way.  The Creatives cost 3X more.. That is just one example.. If I tell you wrong then you can get on my thread here at headfi and tell every single one of those guys that I recommended the wrong cans for you. I don't mind. But you won't.. You will thank me later. One more thing. If you end up getting them. Make sure you Burn them in with fairly loud music for a good 24 hours before using them and continue to burn them in for a good 50 hours.. This is a requirement as the drivers loosen up after this burn and you will be surprised at how great they sound..

post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

Excuse me, but silver version looks like sh** . I know that I will not look at color of headphones when listening but still black is my preference.

Won't buy it unless I find black for the same price :)


Edited by daylight - 10/24/11 at 12:22pm
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by daylight View Post

Excuse me, but silver version looks like sh** . I know that I will not look at color of headphones when listening but still black is my preference.

Won't buy it unless I find black for the same price :)



They aren't black or silver.. Take a look They only come in one color as far as I know.


Edited by Dsnuts - 10/24/11 at 12:27pm
post #10 of 25

Don't necesseraly dismiss them but be weary of over-enthusiastic recommendations.

 

If you can't audition personally I would go with the cheapest, widely praised product first as long as you find some concensus in description, thus limiting your losses if they dont work out. The CAL's are cheap and good. I use a pair. That doesn't necesseraly mean you will like them.

 

regards

 

 

post #11 of 25

I would throw the JVC HA-M750 into the mix if you want a can for Techno and Trance.  I am a big EDM fan and have the same onboard sound card as you [Realtek HD 24bit] and I set it to powerful in the EQ settings and bump away to deep house and techno all night long with some tea and coffee breaks inbetween to keep the buzz going lolL3000.gif   I would say the JVC has good bass extension, forward mids and clear highs but it doesn't have the greatest soundstage it's definitely not airy.  The bass is not the rumbly fart cannon type it's more hammer type which is quick and fairly well textured to my untrained ears anyway lol beyersmile.png

post #12 of 25
Thread Starter 

Ok I've found some difference between RP-HTF600E-S and RP-HTF600-S.

 

Model No RP-HTF600E-S

Impedance 40Ω

-------------------------------------

Model: RP-HTF600-S

Impedance: 56

 

So afterall it does differ??? I think that 40 ohms are ok and is easy to drive but 56 will need an amp... Or is it amazon which is writing specifications not accurately enough?

post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by daylight View Post

Ok I've found some difference between RP-HTF600E-S and RP-HTF600-S.

 

Model No RP-HTF600E-S

Impedance 40Ω

-------------------------------------

Model: RP-HTF600-S

Impedance: 56

 

So afterall it does differ??? I think that 40 ohms are ok and is easy to drive but 56 will need an amp... Or is it amazon which is writing specifications not accurately enough?

 

Amazon lists wrong info, I got mine from amazon.co.uk, says 56 ohm on the package.
 

 

post #14 of 25

Meh. Disregard


Edited by Blue Boat - 10/25/11 at 7:19am
post #15 of 25

I've been trying to figure out this "E" version and I'm starting to believe there is no real "E" version.

I've seen "E" versions listed with 40-Ohm, 50-Ohm and 56-Ohm.

I'm guessing some Internet retailer(s) starting adding "E" to the model description, for whatever reason.

I have not found any picture of the RP-HTF600"E" with an "E" in the model number printed on the box.

 

I own CALs (Creative Aurvana Live), nice sound, but the cups are on the small side, barely fits around my ear.

(wish I had not stepped on them).

I would say to get the RP-HTF600-S, I've had mine for a week (with Velour).

They have great sound at a low price.

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