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post #31 of 34
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Originally Posted by wavoman View Post

Hey Perplexed -- no trolling going on here.  We're just doing the forum thing.  Feel free to put me on ignore.

 

 

khoas974 -- all your points are correct from a pactical standpoint.  You are taking me seriously, which is a big mistake -- I'm just pointing out all the theoretical flaws in your logic (lots of them), just to twist you up a bit ... and you take yourself so seriously too ... but indeed you have made a ton of logical mistakes ... however everything you say about what to do in practice is correct of course ... not the argument I'm making ... you totally miss the point here ... but I give up and will just put you on ignore.  You think I'm serious about  a "flac-eating virus" ???   Of course it COULD happen .. uh oh, here we go again ... no no no .

 

 

deadlylover -- now this is important.  When you buy a used CD and the original owner kept copies, YOU are not the one depriving the artist of money.  The original owner is the criminal.  The purchase price of the original CD, and the license it is sold under, includes the right to stop using it, destroy all copies, and sell it to someone else.  This is all fine, and the artist has been compensated perfectly -- the re-sale possibility is priced in to the original copy.  But as the second owner you are in moral hazard if you think it likely that the original owner did not destroy his copies.  What one does when in moral hazard is up to the individual.  You have done no crime, but still.  My answer is to buy more CDs from the artist if you like what you hear.  I refuse to accept your lumping me in with the real pirates.  Think about it.  I have, deeply. 

 

 

Over and out ... I've got music to listen to, and CDs to buy.

 


Poe's law, you never know who's serious via internet, where posts don't always convey tones. I'm am pointing at the logical mistakes in your reasoning, which you just wrote can't be taken seriously. And indeed I don't see your point in keeping wavs, except to have that 0.001% better odds, when there are other measures to implement that improve odds of safe guarding your music a lot more. Unless your point was to start a pointless debate.

 

 


Edited by khaos974 - 10/29/11 at 9:01pm
post #32 of 34
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Originally Posted by wavoman View Post

deadlylover -- now this is important.  When you buy a used CD and the original owner kept copies, YOU are not the one depriving the artist of money.  The original owner is the criminal.  The purchase price of the original CD, and the license it is sold under, includes the right to stop using it, destroy all copies, and sell it to someone else.  This is all fine, and the artist has been compensated perfectly -- the re-sale possibility is priced in to the original copy.  But as the second owner you are in moral hazard if you think it likely that the original owner did not destroy his copies.  What one does when in moral hazard is up to the individual.  You have done no crime, but still.  My answer is to buy more CDs from the artist if you like what you hear.  I refuse to accept your lumping me in with the real pirates.  Think about it.  I have, deeply. 


It's okay, I wasn't really lumping you with them pirates considering you also buy future works and what not. I just found it funny that for someone like yourself who is very passionate about supporting the artists, you would even consider buying a used CD knowing full well that you aren't supporting the artist at all. I know it's a little apples and oranges but buying a used CD is kind of like buying stolen goods, where the purchaser and the seller benefit, but the artist does not.

 

IMO, the exception is when it's a CD that isn't being sold anymore, so the used market is the only choice. But then again, there's nothing wrong at all with saving cash (for more CD's later ^^) by buying used CD's that are readily available, because as the owner of the CD you have the right to listen to it.

 

Most of my music is free anyway, so the main purpose of me buying CD's is purely to support the artists, and not to increase my music library like many here(?)/yourself, which is why we have differing perspectives. I'm sure if I was in your position, I'd also have to buy a crapton of used CD's in one go just to increase my library/exposure to new artists. No offense was intended at all (I did put a smiley there =P).

post #33 of 34
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Hey Perplexed -- no trolling going on here.  We're just doing the forum thing.  Feel free to put me on ignore.

 

His PM:

 

 

Hey I'm the one that took the time to answer your OP and you accuse me of trolling?

 

This is how you thank people?

 

With 21 posts you think you know something about this community?

 

PLEASE put me on ignore.  For sure I am doing that to you.

 

I am beginning to understand why all the real headphone experts have moved to the other place.

 

Nothing personal, I'm sure in the physical world you're a fine guy or gal.

 

But online here let's have nothing to do with each other.  It will be much better for my blood pressure.

 

All I can do is shudder at how ridiculously immature you are.. did you really think my post was serious?! Note that fact that it got a thumbs up.. "nothing personal" but you are seriously clueless when it comes to understanding others.. Seriously, what is wrong with a little joke? Note also how no one else sent me a rude private message in response, in fact one "Hennyo" even sent an informative message - but you, no, you couldn't grow up enough to just laugh and move on.. All I can say is I don't care how many posts you have - you're still an ignorant fool. Posting rubbish doesn't make you superior.. And how do you know this is not a second account of mine, the other having been lost/deleted? Or that I have been on another forum for 7 years?

 

Stop and think before you judge...

 

post #34 of 34

FWIW, here's an interesting, if hippy-ish take on a pre-DMCA ideology of information as property: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/reevaluating-copyright.html

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