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post #1981 of 3247
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Originally Posted by sluker View Post

Is this based on something someone who has heard them said or just conjecture?

 

I'm basing it on this (http://turbulentlabs.com/symphones-turbulent-headphone-driver/):

 

"MATERIALS

Turbulent Labs commissioned a new driver from Symphones to be a driver unique to Turbulent Labs. The result is a collaboration driver tuned specifically for Turbulent Labs as the flagship driver for Grado headphones."
 
The "re-tuning for wood[-en cups]"
 
(joeq70 just quoted the same thing, I know)
post #1982 of 3247
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

I'm confused why they went X and not V, I guess the V1-4 may have created some confusion.

I was under the impression from the Turbulent site that the driver wasn't meant to be named the X driver originally, but rather "Symphones X Turbulent", as in cross or collaboration. Like Shwood X Bushmills for their collaboration sunglasses, or as in music, say Danger Mouse X James Mercer (anyone know the band I'm referring to?).

post #1983 of 3247

..or like hindu kushXsuper skunk.... As far as them being tuned for wood, while that would be a delight, maybe devour is wishfully readng into it a bit. Wouldn't they more concretely advertise it as such if they spent a great deal of time dialing it in for a mahogany cup? But who knows, any new offering is enough for me to slap down a buck30 to give them a spin. I'm placing my hopes on the statement of more refined 'upper end' on the X, I only hope upper end includes the upper mids........


Edited by thelostMIDrange - 11/28/12 at 4:04pm
post #1984 of 3247

What's so funny Chris?

 

You're right maybe I'm reading between the lines too much.

 

But it's okay, (I'm not too wishful) Rhydon is free to improve his drivers as much as he wants; my v4 are already satisfying me plenty and I'll wait before buying into this Symphones "Mahogany" or Symphones "v5".

 

I bought my Magnum v4 less than a month ago and he told me that I had an "improvement over the v4" pair of drivers. Maybe they are the "v4.5" (the black colored ones), that he was contrasting with the v4–grey, or maybe I have the v5 already.

 

If they have an upgraded lower and upper end it would be safe to call them v5... tuned for wood or not.

 


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Originally Posted by tintin220 View Post

I was under the impression from the Turbulent site that the driver wasn't meant to be named the X driver originally, but rather "Symphones X Turbulent", as in cross or collaboration. Like Shwood X Bushmills for their collaboration sunglasses, or as in music, say Danger Mouse X James Mercer (anyone know the band I'm referring to?).

 

Oh yeah, the "X" is just that; it doesn't mean anything in itself.

post #1985 of 3247
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Originally Posted by devouringone3 View Post

 

 

I bought my Magnum v4 less than a month ago and he told me that I had an "improvement over the v4" pair of drivers. Maybe they are the "v4.5" (the black colored ones), that he was contrasting with the v4–grey, or maybe I have the v5 already.

 

Is it just me or does it seem every batch of Magnums, regardless of the version, comes out a little different or "better"?

post #1986 of 3247
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Originally Posted by devouringone3 View Post

What's so funny Chris?

 

hindu kushXsuper skunk. Cracked me up, hard. Also, FWIW the colors of the drivers is insignificant, grey vs black. At least, that's what I believe. Who really knows anymore? Rhydon doesn't really keep things too clear.

 

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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

Is it just me or does it seem every batch of Magnums, regardless of the version, comes out a little different or "better"?

yup 

post #1987 of 3247

imo, this thread has gotten a little jumbled due to a mix of end-users:  modders who are buying the drivers as standalone items and trying to maximize them in custom wood cups vs those who were buying fully desgined magnum sets in metal.....things are further complicated by a 3rd group who are buying the fully designed magnumx sets in mahogany with a poly(plastic) coating and wire that has been cryo treated and dipped in liquid nitrogen. The results in the last case is only one variant of the new X keep in mind. My own set for example will be in limbawood with a wax free shelac coating and grado wire. The results of that will be a bit different than the turbulant version.


Edited by thelostMIDrange - 11/28/12 at 4:06pm
post #1988 of 3247
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Originally Posted by thelostMIDrange View Post

imo, this thread has gotten a little jumbled due to a mix end-users:  modders who are buying the drivers as standalone items and trying to maximize them in custom wood cups vs those who were buying fully desgined magnum sets in metal.....things are further complicated by a 3rd group who are buying the fully designed magnumx sets in mahogany with a poly(plastic) coating and wire that has been cryo treated and dipped in liquid nitrogen. The results in the last case is only one variant of the new X keep in mind. My own set for example will be in limbawood with a wax free shelac coating and grado wire. The results of that will be a bit different than the turbulant version.


By all accounts, won't it be vastly superior? I didn't realize that the Turbulent (vibro) cups were poly coated. Wouldn't the poly nullify nearly any performance benefits from the wood?

post #1989 of 3247

one would think, and in my haphazard testing i would lean towards that conclusion but none of this is scientific. I suspect poly is used for its ease of application and durability/appearance. And the general public is pretty concerned with appearances ime so companies are giving the people what they want and they really can't be blamed. But for me, the whole point is as you suggest, to get away from the plastic grado inner liners and their affect on sound. Now the finish being poly doesn't necessarily mean it's the same as plastic cups because underneath is wood and it will react differnent than a full plastic. But why even go in that direction is my thinking.....otherwise those classic cups look great and are priced right. Whether they tried a half dozen finishes and picked poly because of it's sound is only known to the maker. It takes alot of time and effort to perform such tests (trust me on that one) so you can use your own judgement as to whether it was done or not............but all things considered, i'd say that cable has more affect than the finish on the cups......


Edited by thelostMIDrange - 11/28/12 at 3:37pm
post #1990 of 3247

these 9k and/or 4/5k peaks is the suspect of my one and only complaint (if this is where snares, acoustic guitars and LP surface noise live). For me, all efforts would go towards reducing those peaks. Who knows maybe poly has an affect there even if it might be at the expense of other qualities. Anything frankly that can bring that peak more in line might be worth any tradeoff.......fwiw, all grados seem to have that 9k peak and some have the 4/5k while others have a 2k, which this magnum does not.

 

 

700


Edited by thelostMIDrange - 11/28/12 at 4:17pm
post #1991 of 3247
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Originally Posted by thelostMIDrange View Post

one would think, and in my haphazard testing i would lean towards that conclusion but none of this is scientific. I suspect poly is used for its ease of application and durability/appearance. And the general public is pretty concerned with appearances ime so companies are giving the people what they want and they really can't be blamed. But for me, the whole point is as you suggest, to get away from the plastic grado inner liners and their affect on sound. Now the finish being poly doesn't necessarily mean it's the same as plastic cups because underneath is wood and it will react differnent than a full plastic. But why even go in that direction is my thinking.....otherwise those classic cups look great and are priced right. Whether they tried a half dozen finishes and picked poly because of it's sound is only known to the maker. It takes alot of time and effort to perform such tests (trust me on that one) so you can use your own judgement as to whether it was done or not............but all things considered, i'd say that cable has more affect than the finish on the cups......


The maker is taiden on head-fi, I believe.

post #1992 of 3247

and of course he will never be able to join the discussion here to add info or clarify anything due to the natzilike overlords who run the forum and their policy of noninteraction between makers and users. The policy has it's reasons, but it comes at much greater costs imo. Namely slow progress on magnum tuning and maybe headphone advancement in general...............isn't it crazy that i purposely felt the need to mispell natzi in order to minimze my chances of being put on a list and tracked by the government. lol. But that's a little off topic. I just wanted to clarify so people don't think of me as a poor speller and unejcated.


Edited by thelostMIDrange - 11/28/12 at 4:22pm
post #1993 of 3247
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Originally Posted by thelostMIDrange View Post

and of course he will never be able to join the discussion here to add info or clarify anything due to the natzilike overlords who run the forum and their policy of noninteraction between makers and users. The policy has it's reasons, but it comes at much greater costs imo. Namely slow progress on magnum tuning and maybe headphone advancement in general...............isn't it crazy that i purposely felt the need to mispell natzi in order to minimze my chances of being put on a list and tracked by the government. lol. But that's a little off topic. I just wanted to clarify so people don't think of me as a poor speller and unejcated.


I hear they put people who misspell as many words as you just did on an entirely different list.

 

He's actually been pretty forthcoming with information over on the "post your grado mods" thread.

post #1994 of 3247

lol, i've been on that list for awhyle.........I'll try and check out the grado mods thread.. thanks for the headsup

post #1995 of 3247
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Originally Posted by tintin220 View Post

I was under the impression from the Turbulent site that the driver wasn't meant to be named the X driver originally, but rather "Symphones X Turbulent", as in cross or collaboration. Like Shwood X Bushmills for their collaboration sunglasses, or as in music, say Danger Mouse X James Mercer (anyone know the band I'm referring to?).

that would be broken bells. 

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