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post #16 of 27

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Well, for me it's not a digital vs analog thing, it's about what can best address the recording need. My Sony TC-K950ES just works better than my CD recorder, and even my PCM-7010 DAT recorder for certain recording needs, like recording off the Internet, making compilations for the cassette player in my car, and other stuff.


Edited by sterling1 - 10/23/11 at 5:31am
post #17 of 27

What the hell "to sound digital" would mean, I'm still wondering...

post #18 of 27

Etchy, bright, harsh, unrefined- you had to be alive in the 80's to know probably.

post #19 of 27
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So do you guys still prefer rotary dial phones or tube TV's rolleyes.gif ? Digital doesn't have to sound digital, it surely doesn't in my system. The recording can sound digital though. Rush went through a phase where they recorded on tape and transferred it to digital. I remember when OMD was one of the first to do an all digital CD- "The Pacific Age".


Believe it or not, yes, I still have rotary phones and a 12" GE B&W TV from 1957. smily_headphones1.gif

Rotary phones are awesome. They paid a lot of attention to ergonomics and durability back then. If I want to have a long phone conversation, nothing is more comfortable than a vintage phone. I love my iPhone 4 to pieces, but it isn't all that comfortable to hold for an hour. A rotary from the 1940s is supremely comfortable. All it takes is a quick rewire to a modern jack and they are wonderful to use.

Funny story, I presented my niece with a rotary a few years back and asked her what it was. She knew it was a telephone. Then I asked her how you called someone. She had no idea. I showed her why you "dial" a phone and she was utterly fascinated.

The TV is something else. I found it for $5 in near-mint cosmetic condition. Not only is it a CRT, but it runs off 13 vacuum tubes. How could I pass it up? It was an interesting restoration. Building a vaccum tube amp is easy. A vacuum tube radio is an order of magnitude more complicated than an amp. A vacuum tube television is an order of magnitude more complicated than a radio. I prefer my 42" Panasonic LCD HDTV, but it is still fun to have around a vacuum tube TV. I like to use it to watch old B&W stuff now and then.

If anything, vacuum tube TVs have largely gone to the landfill. I'll keep this one alive. I'd like to think a museum will be happy to have it some day.
post #20 of 27
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Etchy, bright, harsh, unrefined- you had to be alive in the 80's to know probably.


I was alive and well during the 80's. In fact, my hi-fi interest began in the early 70's with a Marantz 2230 stereo receiver, BSR record changer, and a pair of Marantz 3-way bookshelf speakers. After realizing the BSR automatic record changer was not satisfying me, I went on to discover the Sony PS-4750 direct drive turntable, which is still in my HT today. A cassette deck was introduced to my audio system in the late 70's and the current Sony TC-K950ES cassette recorder was placed into the system in the late 80's. As mentioned before, I like it. I like it a lot. But, since getting into hi-fi as a  hobby back then, I've come to know the only thing important is the music. And, having  taken a step back from the gear to focus on  the music, I now know how becoming obsessive about the "SOUND" undermines, or even destroys the pleasure. My appreciation today for these things which present the music is therefore not about the sound but appreciation for convenience. I appreciate cassette because before computer play-lists, it was a way to enjoy for hours just what I was in the mood for. I liked CD's too when they came out as I was tired of LP's with snap, crackle, and pops which distracted from the illusion. At any rate, it's all good, and if it isn't it won't stand the test of time.
 

 


Edited by sterling1 - 10/23/11 at 7:32am
post #21 of 27

Hah! I do agree about the handset comfort (I don't know why we can't have ear pieces that fit on your ear like they used to) but if I had to dial a rotary everyday, I'd lose my mind.

post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

Etchy, bright, harsh, unrefined- you had to be alive in the 80's to know probably.



Of course digital sounds bright and harsh, the high frequencies are the first thing that wear out on a vynil...!!! But talking about this would end in... deadhorse.gif

 

I think that there's been some improvement in computing technologies in the last 30 years... Am I the only one...?

post #23 of 27

DAT tapes are a world away (in price as well as quality) from the crappy 'cassettes' foisted on us in the 70s - if vinyl cost a dollar per platter, you can bet the record companies were ecstatic when they could do cassettes for 50c each. Nothing like the sinking feeling that accompanied the tape breaking or, worse, getting tangled in the heads of your car's player. I realise that many here would have had better kit (and cleaned the heads religiously), but as an idiot-proof medium its hard to go past the ipod-plugged-into-the-car-stereo.

 

As for reel-to-reel, that's like comparing an F1 car to a Yugo : sure, they're both cars, but that's where the similarity ends. If you have the Beatles masters in your garage, more power to you, but that has little to do with 'cassette tapes' as I understand the term.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassette_tapes

 

While ubiquitous and accessible, cassette playback suffered from flaws frustrating to both professionals and home recording enthusiasts. Tape speed could vary between devices, resulting in playback pitch that was too low or too high. Speed often was calibrated at the factory, and could not be changed by users. The slow tape speed limited fidelity and tape speed consistency, resulting in poor wow-and-flutter. Different tape formulation and noise reduction schemes artificially boosted or cut high frequencies and inadvertently elevated noise levels. Sometimes, a player (especially in a car radio) could damage the tape, rolling it around the capstan axle or its pressure roller, winding several feet of tape into the mechanism.

post #24 of 27

My Sony TC-K950ES: 15hz-22-khz +/- 3db, wow and flutter 0.022, S/N ( Dolby C type 4) 76. My Sony PCM-7010F's:  S/N more than 90db, wow & flutter unmeasurable, frequency response 20hz-20khz +/- 0.5db, THD .05%. So, from looking at the specs, it's clear my DAT recorders are superior to my Compact Cassette recorder; yet, in everyday listening, I cannot distinguish a superior sound from DAT. My DAT recorders have many features however that appeal to me, like time-code, memory start, and editing with 3 frame accuracy.


Edited by sterling1 - 10/26/11 at 2:47am
post #25 of 27

The problem I had with tapes was in 1 word, fungus. I had to convert them to CDs eventually. I too also suffer from the regular problems with tapes and while they do offer a unique sound but fidelity is an obvious no-no compared to CDs.

post #26 of 27

Now *this* is more like it !

 

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post #27 of 27

There's a huge experimental music culture that is only releasing music on cassette.  Check out http://mimaroglumusicsales.com/

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