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post #76 of 1128
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Originally Posted by Gwarmi View Post

News just in,

 

Just benching my new Nordost Blue Heaven 1metre USB versus my old 1.5 4mm copper USB cable

 

Nordost has eradicated any clipping I was getting earlier on some recordings and there appears to

be a little more sound stage depth.

 

All in all, pretty positive which for the small sum paid. 


 

Must've been a really old cable blink.gif

post #77 of 1128
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Originally Posted by Gwarmi View Post

News just in,

 

Just benching my new Nordost Blue Heaven 1metre USB versus my old 1.5 4mm copper USB cable

 

Nordost has eradicated any clipping I was getting earlier on some recordings and there appears to

be a little more sound stage depth.

 

All in all, pretty positive which for the small sum paid. 


Clipping?

Sorry, that is not possible with a cable.

If it were, there would be measurable amounts of power differences.

There is no possible way that a cable could make the difference without there being significant, measurable, differences in power transmission.
post #78 of 1128

<Shrug>

 

Not a cable sympathizer or hater either way, just after small incremental benefits where ever possible

concerning my rig.

 

Could be a faulty cheapy and just bad manufacturing - one thing that I noticed was that the

Nordost came with plastic caps to be removed before installation, the square-B plastic cap did not fit

over the square end of the cheapy when I went to put it away.

 

This explains why I always thought the the DAC end connection felt a little loose, perhaps this

played a part in the clipping even though there was no movement?

 

What this proves is that perhaps, the cheapy (not so cheap, $20AUD infact) may in fact have

been incorrectly made. There is no question that the Nordost provides a more snug connection

at the DAC end.

 

Someone else is no doubt probably sitting out there in Head-Fi land with the exact same cable

and Arcam rDAC blissfully unaware.

 

So in summing up I have 3 x USB A to B cables,

 

The cheap USB cable that came with my UPS ~ this is not usable, it just clips all through

a track.

 

The still cheap $20AUD 4mm copper USB cable, occasional clipping, suspect poor manufacture

on the apparently undersized B square end.

 

The Nordost.

 

Wish you guys were over here for an audition ~ it's clear as daylight, the sound stage may be

placebo but loud squawking in my ear from the other two cheapies is not.

 

 


Edited by Gwarmi - 10/23/11 at 5:09am
post #79 of 1128

It is a blessing to your wallet, always, to be unable to find any difference between cables. =)

post #80 of 1128

 

Can you connect audiophile USB cables to printers?

 

post #81 of 1128

Yeah, they give you smoother whites and darker blacks.

post #82 of 1128

It seems to me that if replacing a headphone cable so vastly improves a phones performance the manufacturer would have used a better cable to begin with. They want to sell headphones, so it stands to reason they'd want their product to sound a good as it can. 

post #83 of 1128
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

Can you connect audiophile USB cables to printers?

 



Your printer will print out musical scores and starts singing =)

post #84 of 1128
My cable philosophy:

Whether the cable affects sound or not (either through physics or psychology), if you are in search of a better/different sound, and given the price of some aftermarket cables, it makes more sense putting that wampum into an upgrade of cans first and then amp. Don't get me wrong. I have a beautiful aftermarket cable - but I got it because I needed a second cable and for the difference in price between the one I got and stock, mine is significantly better in terms of aesthetics, feel, ergonomics, and microphonics.


My answer to the original question would be that another cable might affect the sound 'you hear' and it might not. Don't invest a lot expecting big, if any, changes.There are good reasons to get a cable but paying a lot of money to tweak the sound a tiny bit isn't the way to go. Spend your cash in the way that gives you the most pleasure and satisfaction.
post #85 of 1128

 

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Originally Posted by fatcat28037 View Post

It seems to me that if replacing a headphone cable so vastly improves a phones performance the manufacturer would have used a better cable to begin with. They want to sell headphones, so it stands to reason they'd want their product to sound a good as it can.

 


That's why Vsonic use silver cables, they're a good manufacturer.

 

It's all part of their "mighty research", they don't have "thirty middle or high-ranking professionals" for nothing, "three high-ranking engineers and three professional timbre evaluation experts", of course they use silver? FATCAT?

 

"Experienced earphone design experts who had once studied in Japan are also included."

 

"modernized dustless workshop, advanced computerized checking and analyzing system which were all imported from Japan." (they imported their workshop from Japan)

 

"A management system which is operated on the spot and centered on 5s management"

 

sourcehttp://www.vsonic.com.cn/company/company-profile.htm

 

I think the GR02 (not GR07) is seriously underrated, have you ever seen a $27 earphone with a silver cabel? It's right here http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Genuin-VSONIC-R02PRO-Silver-Cord-earphone-GR02-IPod-MP3-Newly-Version-/140620262943

 

More info on GR02 here: http://www.vsonic.com.cn/product/GR02.htm

 

" the new GR02 ‘silver cable edition’ has been retuned and manufactured under stricter standard using Brüel & Kjær Head and Torso Simulator (HATS) and SoundCheck software audio measurement system to achieve channel balance of less than 2dB apart and ensure the highest fidelity for each earphone.

· Newly developed high strength composite heat resisting diaphragm with better damping and shorter phase delay to further improve the sound quality

· High quality silver cable (composed of 20 individual strands of silver wire each on the left and right channels and 28 strands of silver wires on the ground channel) preserves the fidelity of the signal during the transmission.

· Optimized for CD, MP3 players, cellphone and portable gami"

 


Edited by kiteki - 10/23/11 at 8:59am
post #86 of 1128

The Vsonic webiste has lots of hype but like all others fails as they cannot show a link between a cable and sound qaulity differences. More of that here -

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/556398/cables-the-role-of-hype-and-the-missing-link

 

These debates would progess more if we recognise that some people hear a difference between cables and others do not, so the real question is why does that happen? The divide then becomes whether there is something inherent in a cable that can affect sound quality and whether there is not. I say the evidence is that there is nothing inherent in acbale that can casue sound quality differences. Breifly the reasons for that are

 

- inconsistency, according to those who do hear a difference and cable makers all ways of making a cable are capable of creating better sound quality than other cables amde a different way and with different materials. How can that make an objective truth that cable construction affects sound quality? It strongly suggests subjective opinion on what cables sound better than others.

 

- the missing link between the properties of a cable and sound quality. For example, if skin effect affected sound quality more or less skin effect on a cable would be directly correlated to say a deeper bass which can then be measured. But nothing like that exists.

 

- the results of listening tests, of which you need to be on the Sound Science part of the forum to discuss.

 

- that placebo effect, buyer justification and other in the listener and not the cable reasons do explain why some hear a difference and others do not and why those who hear a difference disagree on what the differences are.

post #87 of 1128
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Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post

Thats really interesting, I've usually dismissed most digital cables, this is an interesting datapoint!

 


In my experience, S/Pdif cables sound noticeably better, the more ingredients you get right. Hit most or all of them with a cable like the NEVD-2001, and you've got at least a near perfect cable. I suspect I would have quite a bit of trouble distinguishing between an $80 run of NEVD-2001, and Audioquest Wild or Siltech Golden Ridge at 25X the cost.

 

USB cables are a completely different animal. When you use them with hard drives or printers, they transfer in what's called "block" mode. The most expensive USB cable in the world will not make your printer print better, or make your hard drive transfer any faster. Real time audio streaming is different. Imagine if instead of S/Pdif, a CD player sent both power and the digital audio stream to a DAC through one multi-pin cable, something like a VGA cable. Oh, and did I mention the power provided by the CD player is full of noise? The pins for power and signal are right next to each other, and the power and signal are not separated inside the cable. Terrible idea right? That's exactly how USB works. It wasn't designed to be a high-end audio streaming medium, and in order to get it to work that way, you have to kind of adapt around its limitations. Locus Design helped to pioneer the idea of physically separating the power and signal legs inside the cable, and Ridge Street and Acoustic Revive have now taken that a step further and used two separate runs entirely.

 

That still leaves the problem of signal and power sharing the same connector though, so they've partially solved that issue by splitting the source end into two separate power and signal connectors. You still end up at the same place at the other end, but it's better than not doing it. If you combine that with asynchronous mode operation and galvanic isolation, you can solve *most* of the issues with USB streaming. The only way to really get it right is to simply not use the power supplied by USB at all.

 

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Edited by DaveBSC - 10/23/11 at 10:24am
post #88 of 1128
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Originally Posted by fatcat28037 View Post

It seems to me that if replacing a headphone cable so vastly improves a phones performance the manufacturer would have used a better cable to begin with. They want to sell headphones, so it stands to reason they'd want their product to sound a good as it can. 

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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

I don't think their main focus is cables, and they probably do not really want to get into aftermarket cabling mainly because there aren't many manufacturers that focus on supreme quality cabling and design. So I think they left that up to the DIYers/MOTs to handle the cable market since high quality cables is really only assured by hand-making them with good soldering experience. That's most likely why the high end headphones have detachable cables instead of hard wired ones.
And you're still going to want an aftermarket cable to use your sr71b to its fullest potential in balanced or there wouldn't be much point in your spending the extra money on a balanced amp.


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It disgusts me how some people here are just set on expressing their beliefs without first-hand experience. It's one thing to deny hearing a difference cables, but a whole nother to vehemently presume, and shoot down anyone who says otherwise.
I really do feel sorry for your ears, but just because YOU cannot hear it does not mean you should go around trying to persuade others that they cannot hear it either.
Just because things are not quantifiably measureable does not mean it's impossible; I don't know what happened in your life to be so one-dimensional. Just because the bitterness of coffee is not mathematically measureable on a graph, does not mean every cup of coffee in the world will be equally bitter.
You're pathetic, and you know who you are if you're reading this.
Edited by Girls Generation - 10/23/11 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by andrewberge View Post

 

 

 

 

The problem with that is that the only ones who get the high end cables are the ones who believe they make a difference.

You probably won't get the most objective answers.



The other problem is the placebo effect and buyer justification.

 

Every day, hundreds of people send thousands of dollars of "earnest money" to recently orphaned sons/daughters of  African princes, diplomats and corrupt government officials in order to  assist, for a commission, these wealthy orphans expatriate millions of dollars and/or relocate to a free country in furtherance of their educations.  It is estimated that less than 1/2 of one percent of these good Samaritans ever report their experience to the authorities once circumstances force them to accept the fact that they have been scammed.  If questioned, a significant percentage would deny it altogether.  No one likes to admit getting ripped off, especially as a result of doing something for which there was doubt or second thoughts, or despite being warned by others, or in the course of a dubious transaction.  When it happens, it is human nature for people to perform tremendous feats of unconscious psychological acrobatics and self-delusion in order to minimize or deny their loss.

 

This is not to say the work or don't. It's just that the people who have bought them are exactly the wrong people to ask.

 

Just sayin'

 

 


Edited by sailorman - 10/23/11 at 11:01am
post #90 of 1128
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Originally Posted by fatcat28037 View Post

It seems to me that if replacing a headphone cable so vastly improves a phones performance the manufacturer would have used a better cable to begin with. They want to sell headphones, so it stands to reason they'd want their product to sound a good as it can. 


Funny, Denon does exactly that. The cable supplied with the D7000 is significantly better than the one supplied with the D2000. Now why would Denon spend even a penny more on the D7000 cable if there was no difference in the sound between the two?

 

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