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post #91 of 95
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Here's my take on the Grado/Ortofon MA thing. I am 99% certain the GR8 and EQ-7 share the same exact driver. Their frequency responses are almost identical and so are the impedance/electrical phase measurements (based on Sonove's graphs/Headroom). The GR8 looks exactly like the Yashima N20 which never reached mass production. I think Grado simply bought off Yashima's use of their designs, while Ortofon simply has the right to the driver. Compared to the GR8, the EQ7 seems more refined and controlled with an identical response, more finely tuned. After that first driver I think Yashima refined the same driver and used better material, guess technically not the same driver. Thus the GR10 gets introduced which I'm almost sure was all designed by Yashima sine it was the case before, whereas the EQ-5 is Ortofon's take. I'm not a fan of the GoldenEars graphs (though still interesting) as I don't know much of their methods but the Headroom graph comparing the GR8/GR10 is spot-on in how I hear the differences between the EQ5/EQ7. What I'm wondering is if there's going to be a difference like the GR8/EQ7 between the newer two. Haven't heard the Grados, but I have to give much more respect to Ortofon for personalizing their product. Grado seems to be simply making use of their brand-name, overpricing the product and claiming credits. I can see such approach since they have actually punished/critized reviewers for posting unbiased negative reviews of their products.
 

 

For personal benefits, what you hear is best. Graphs are great if used in relation to other products if you know what to look for and understand their nature/procedure. For personal decision making, I'll take a graph I understand  well over a user review as it's not glossed off by bias, placebo and related variables (which are always overlooked). Still, user reviews are great in understanding the whole holistic nature of the IEM outside of sound and certain variables that occur between users. I will take my personal listening over both though, obviously the same for everyone else.

 

Nice completion by the way, surely looks like you're into it. I will also like to thank you for the appreciation on Joker's thread.

Than Grado did cheat us all and we pay for their Name only? What a shame for such Company. On the other Hand this happens often, the Ultrasone Pyco have the same technique as the Yamaha EPH-100, only the Ultrasone Comes more luxury and with mic to use for phoning to.

post #92 of 95

Inks has nothing to back that up other than speculation. Yashima makes all the drivers for Grado and Ortofon. Grado uses the case design shown at yashima which means they either worked with them on it's design, got there first, or simply decided to stay with it because it's great. Yashima never sold that case anywhere else. They have never been into bling and of course Yashima will show a case they've worked with in their diagrams.  The case is the best of all the the many non custom I've owned and more comfy and better fitting than any of the Ortofons. They also have more measured bass amplitude than Ortos' without any back loading differences. The GR8 is also 3 times the impedance of all the others. Inks Is blinded when it comes to these differences for some reason.

 

 

Grado GR10:

EQ5

They will be similar as is every Orto and Grado since they share a unique driver topology but there are clear differences between them. 

 

Both graphs taken with foam tips. I think the GR10 works best with their included silicone tips. 

 

When the Ortofon Eq7 and Grado GR8 came out, comments were that the gr8 may have been a bit too warm in comparison (others liked it but clearly not the same). 


Edited by goodvibes - 2/2/14 at 6:45am
post #93 of 95
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Inks has nothing to back that up other than speculation. Yashima makes all the drivers for Grado and Ortofon. Grado uses the case design shown at yashima which means they either worked with them on it's design, got there first, or simply decided to stay with it because it's great. Yashima never sold that case anywhere else. They have never been into bling and of course Yashima will show a case they've worked with in their diagrams.  The case is the best of all the the many non custom I've owned and more comfy and better fitting than any of the Ortofons. They also have more measured bass amplitude than Ortos' without any back loading differences. The GR8 is also 3 times the impedance of all the others. Inks Is blinded when it comes to these differences for some reason.

 

 

Grado GR10:

EQ5

They will be similar as is every Orto and Grado since they share a unique driver topology but there are clear differences between them. 

 

Both graphs taken with foam tips. I think the GR10 works best with their included silicone tips. 

 

When the Ortofon Eq7 and Grado GR8 came out, comments were that the gr8 may have been a bit too warm in comparison (others liked it but clearly not the same). 


Thx so much again Goodvibes, this is really informative, I also use the included Silicone tips with my IGI, I only the use the Comply foam on my Rock it Sounds R5, where I think they work great.Warm Sound means you can listen Long without getting tired, I don´t mind that, a german mag came to the same conclusion about the GR8, and did rate it as hight as the GR10.

post #94 of 95

Just wanted to add this link here: http://www.yashima-elec.co.jp/e/technical_information/backnumber002.html

 

I don't think it's been included anywhere in this thread. The article talks about the design of their one pole magnet BA and has a cross-section diagram of what looks to be the gr8/gr10. Hope it's helpful.

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Originally Posted by fishsticks View Post

Just wanted to add this link here: http://www.yashima-elec.co.jp/e/technical_information/backnumber002.html

I don't think it's been included anywhere in this thread. The article talks about the design of their one pole magnet BA and has a cross-section diagram of what looks to be the gr8/gr10. Hope it's helpful.
Very intresting , thx👍
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