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post #76 of 93
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Originally Posted by alphaphoenix View Post

I thought the Ortofon (owned EQ7) and Grado (own GR10/GR8) tips are exactly the same thing.   Don't the EQ5 and EQ7 use identical tips?

 

I wouldn't mind having another set of large Grado tips biggrin.gif



No Idea where to get the Grado tips. I was looking for them when I had them. 

post #77 of 93
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Been listening to the GR10 for quite some time now. Unfortunately I can't say anything definite in comparison to the EQ-5, but they do seem pretty much the same.

 

Luckily the cable is also of good quality. 

 

The smaller housing compared to the 5s is a blessing and makes fit more practical and comfortable. 

 

Like the 5s, I like the bass response which is slightly boosted beyond flat at a nice level that doesn't compromise much clarity. Unfortunately like the 5s, the treble is uneven to me and sibilance stands out at times due to the midhighs. I prefer the fake Hybrids that came with the GR07 compared to stock because they tame this flaw without sacrificing much in the treble. Soundstage is small on these and very monitor-like which isn't necessarily a bad thing as it sometimes sounds more real to a big soundstage with certain recordings, like a 50/50. 

 

I would only recommend these if the user has heard the EQ5s and absolutely loves it's sound. 

 

 

 

 



I know Joker also wrote of some siblance here and there, I never experienced this with the Grado's or the orto 5's granted both are bright

post #78 of 93
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Originally Posted by Freefallr4545 View Post

I never had the Grado's in my hand with the Ortos, but from the Pics, it looks as if the Grado's mushroom out a little more. If you really blow these pics up they do look different. This is why I thought there may be differences in tone. 

 

 



The E-Q5's are much bigger. I'll upload some pics later comparing the size. And yes, they use the exact same tips.

post #79 of 93

I think the pictures show that GR10 with the large tip and the EQ5 with the small or medium tip

post #80 of 93

I really like my GR10s, and prefer the added isolation afforded by the comply tx tips.  I carry the stock ones around as well.  the stock tips allow a bit more placement flexibility, which has its pros and cons - you can tweek the sound a bit, but you have to do a bit of fidgeting to get them exactly where you want them to be.......

 

i sold my GR8s to get them, and am very happy with the improvement i get with both my 801 and my x-7.    i have not heard the Ortofons, but i use the Grados more than my other in-ears, because they offer the best mix of sound, fit, and drivability.

post #81 of 93

I identified the lower treble peak that makes it sound sharp. Unlike a lot of cases though, placing tips with narrower bore outputs actually accentuated the harshness. Placing tips with very small bore outputs makes it sound very wrong; closed, compressed and sharp. Also for some reason, Monster foam Supertips were awful in terms of the lower treble, seems to resonate as even tips with smaller bores fared better. 

 

So now i'm basically using tips with a very wide opening like these UE tips. Either those UE tips or the wide generic ones that are easily found on ebay are just fine. Better than stock imo, which sound a bit sharper in comparison. 

 

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Edited by Inks - 2/10/12 at 1:33pm
post #82 of 93

I find it shocking that anyone could not find a satisfactory fit with the supplied gel/silicone tips.  I just can't imagine any tip being superior.

 

The one lone complaint I had about the Grado moving armatures is that they can distort somewhat easily at certain frequencies or sound cues.  I have owned GR8 once and GR10 twice and they all did it.  While they are very transparent IEM's, even the king of transparency IEM's (JH13) did not exhibit this condition.

 

Is this a fault with dynamic drivers?

post #83 of 93

Its not that stock tips dont give me a good fit, its that the UE tips do a better job of evening out the treble.I didn't experience much distortion.

post #84 of 93

Inks, have you played them really LOUD for a couple of nights+ yet? If so they may just not work for you but I clearly preferred stock to EU tips which I also don't think bad. Try the UE double flange if you have that too.

post #85 of 93
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

I find burn in takes care of matters and really prefer the stock tips. I think Hybrids kinda shut down a fully run in set. They're not as hot as E-q5s for instance, where I do prefer hybrids. Takes a while before they fully open and warm up but as you'd expect of something revealing, they are source descriminating. They're less hot than B2s, E-q5 and have a couple DB more top than the g8 which some regarded on the dark side. Of course perspective is personal and one man's detailed can be another's hot. From new they start a bit congested, then get a bit hot until they warm up and top evens out with more texture and res. How much and the end result will vary by perspective. 

 

Burn-in.  The controversy and reality...  O.K.  this is an admittedly controversial topic, but...

 

So, I've got the GR10's and am really enjoying them (very musical but natural; much prefer to UE900 or Westone 4).  I know that Grado recommends 100 hours of burn-in.  Mine are at app. 50 hours use now.

 

I am wondering what improvements or differences in sound I will notice in the next 100 hours.  From your other posts here in Head-Fi, I have come to value your input (and Spyro's) especially.  As a newbie, I am not sure I understand what you mean, though by "they start a bit congested, then get a bit hot until they warm up and top evens out with more texture and res."  Hot? Warm?  Are these references to bass or treble?  Something else?  What does it mean tho say that they will "open up?"  Both you and Grado say it. 

 

Also, a Grado rep tells me that 100 hours of burn-in is advisable but also cautions not to just play them continuously 24/7.  Really?   Why not?

post #86 of 93

Oops.  I almost forgot...

 

You say that the hybrids (Sony?) "shut down" a fully run-in set of GR10's.  Please elaborate.

 

Aside from a better fit for my own ear, I haven't noticed sonic differences between stock and Sony silicon hybrids (I've not tried the foam hybrids), though the Comply's kill the dynamics, lessen impact tremendously, and generally dull the sound for me.  YMMV.

post #87 of 93

** INK's pair was defective in a major way so his comments while correct for what he heard aren't representative. In fact, he was actually being kind and PC about it. They were *&%$. These were also James' original pair that have been passed around some. Compared to the EQ5s I heard they are typically a bit less bright, fuller and more refined with stock tips. I liked the sony tips on the EQ5 overall. Trimming them may be about perfect. I didn't.


Edited by goodvibes - 12/15/12 at 3:08pm
post #88 of 93
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Originally Posted by Erh1117 View Post

Oops.  I almost forgot...

 

You say that the hybrids (Sony?) "shut down" a fully run-in set of GR10's.  Please elaborate.

 

Aside from a better fit for my own ear, I haven't noticed sonic differences between stock and Sony silicon hybrids (I've not tried the foam hybrids), though the Comply's kill the dynamics, lessen impact tremendously, and generally dull the sound for me.  YMMV.

For me, on a normal, working, run in pair, the hybrids warm them up more than needed and remove too much top. See the other thread for breakin.


Edited by goodvibes - 12/15/12 at 3:09pm
post #89 of 93
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Originally Posted by Erh1117 View Post

 

 

Also, a Grado rep tells me that 100 hours of burn-in is advisable but also cautions not to just play them continuously 24/7.  Really?   Why not?

It's like working out.  A little bit on and off with rest between is best.  Not 20 hours straight.

 

After 15-20 hours I don't think you will hear any difference.  It's done. People tend to WAAAY overthink this hobby. :)


Edited by Spyro - 12/15/12 at 6:29pm
post #90 of 93

GR10 is different from both dynamics and BAs in the way the armature is suspended and driven. It's likely why it takes longer to run in than others. It's dynamic like but seems to rely on natural compliance rather than a normal surround. Likely true of most MAs.

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