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post #31 of 94
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That combination should make for a great comparison! Looking forward to your impressions my friend. smile.gif



Yep. I've got all of them on hand. I recently revisited my GR07's and I may just have to write  a separate review for them as well, since they seem like the bargain of the century.

post #32 of 94
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I now have then burned in 80 hours (give or take a few) and have been going back and forth between the e-Q5, GR10, HP-TW21R, and the GR07. My full review will be up sometime tomorrow.



Why the hurry when Grado themselves say they need more break in? There's plenty of time. What Gr10s have over E-q5s is their texture, res and overall balance. There basic character may be there but that last bit of air, texture, decay and warmth comes later. If your going to rush it or are just trying to be equal about a 100 hr breaking schedule among your review samples, crank em. As an example, these changed significantly more than Gr07s after 100 hrs.

post #33 of 94
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Why the hurry when Grado themselves say they need more break in? There's plenty of time. What Gr10s have over E-q5s is their texture, res and overall balance. There basic character may be there but that last bit of air, texture, decay and warmth comes later. If your going to rush it or are just trying to be equal about a 100 hr breaking schedule among your review samples, crank em. As an example, these changed significantly more than Gr07s after 100 hrs.



I burned them in another 24 hours last night. They are just over 100 hrs. now.

post #34 of 94

Right but 200 hours is requested. Sorry that I wasn't clear. Looking forward to the review.normal_smile%20.gif

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Just my two cents: the GR10's strength is indeed in its airiness, but oddly enough, to me, it had a soundstage that felt constrained --- which is why I didn't end up buying it. I guess when I was shopping around for it, I had expected the GR10 to sound more similar to the more mid-centric e-Q7 (never listened to the e-Q5), which had more of a 'dense air' type of feel, rather than a 'brittle' type of airiness. It has been a while since I've listened to any of these IEMs, so that's the best I can describe them as.

 

At the same price, I think I prefer the EX1000.

post #36 of 94

INKs sent me some graphs dome of the gr10 vs EQ-7. While similar, the grado had more bass and less elevated lower treble with a bit more extension. Grado is more controlled in the upper ranges and less so in the bottom. There's more to this than response so I'm not debating what you heard for yourself and I'm not implying for a second that Grado is best or perfect. Nothing is.

 

p.s. and this isn't relative to the above post that does differentiate the MA's. They are also about 5 ohms different in impedance at 1khz which doesn't happen in modern tolerances of the same driver. They're not.

 

It's the size and isolation comments that kept me from trying the ex1000 when I had the opportunity. I really do appreciate an easy fit and compact carry. I think when you get to this level, there's no best but instead a preference and usage for need. Grado with deep insertion isn't a large picture but go up a tip size (if possible) and they sound very open if a bit less warm. I also find that DAPs and file choice can make or break an IEM that's as informative as these types. There are definitely synergisms involved and as stated, break in is more important for some of these.normal_smile%20.gif


Edited by goodvibes - 10/25/11 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

INKs sent me some graphs dome of the gr10 vs EQ-7. While similar, the grado had more bass and less elevated lower treble with a bit more extension. Grado is more controlled in the upper ranges and less so in the bottom. There's more to this than response so I'm not debating what you heard for yourself and I'm not implying for a second that Grado is best or perfect. Nothing is.

 

p.s. and this isn't relative to the above post that does differentiate the MA's. They are also about 5 ohms different in impedance at 1khz which doesn't happen in modern tolerances of the same driver. They're not.

 

It's the size and isolation comments that kept me from trying the ex1000 when I had the opportunity. I really do appreciate an easy fit and compact carry. I think when you get to this level, there's no best but instead a preference and usage for need. Grado with deep insertion isn't a large picture but go up a tip size (if possible) and they sound very open if a bit less warm. I also find that DAPs and file choice can make or break an IEM that's as informative as these types. There are definitely synergisms involved and as stated, break in is more important for some of these.normal_smile%20.gif

EQ7 is more controlled in the bass, treble is give or take. The EQ7's graph with foam tips is more representative (below in red), the GR10 graph I sent is an average with foam/silicone tips (below in blue). Silicone tips can sometimes cause resonants in the lower treble which is why I suspect that previous EQ7 graph looks so peaky. The graphs actually make me think it's the same driver with different tuning. You can change impedance and sensitivity of the same driver depending on the tuning. Compare the specs of the TWFK IEMs (Q-Jays/CK10/UE700/B2/XS20), impedance and sensitivity are all different even though we know in fact it's the same driver. I say it's the same driver because the nature of the response is very similar, I see the same similarities when comparing the TWFKs or the Sony EX600/800ST graphs. 

 

GR10                                                                                          EQ-7

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Edited by Inks - 10/25/11 at 11:55pm
post #38 of 94

To each his own but check the waterfall and impedance graphs.  There's a measurement section on that site with more info. Also, those are differenct tips. Here's the Ortofon with the same stock tip as the Grado.

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 Similar, yes, as I'd expect from similar motors but not identical. Other than case volume which isn't that different, there is no tuning. Same tips, nozzle and filter and that difference in enclosure volume won't have that large an effect on impedance at 1khz. There's no additional parts involved. Generally that measurement doesn't vary from test to test as some other may. Even in those graphs, the ones you're using to show sameness, there's 4db more bass in the Grado. That would be impossible for the same driver in what is probably a slightly smaller encloser. Lets just say we'll agree to disagree.normal_smile%20.gif


Edited by goodvibes - 10/26/11 at 6:28am
post #39 of 94
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As promised, my final review can be seen at the top of the page.

post #40 of 94
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As promised, my final review can be seen at the top of the page.

 

Thank You for your time and review!! Can you Give a comparison with the EQ-5's? I just bought a pair of the 5's and reaching about 100 hours. But my friends that I borrowed were fully burned in, and I was absolutely amazed, as to how all the music just popped out. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread, about congestion in the early hours, and that was so right. At 100 hours the EQ-5's have more definition air, and clarity redface.gif

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The E-q5 has more lower treble and less absolute resolve and extension. Try some Hybrids on them. Just a bit forward and punchy, they have a really great fun sound that way. I think them a good buy.

 

 I don't find the mids forward in use on the GR10 other than an extremely slight bump (1-2db) in the presence range. If you look at the earlier graphs, it looks like the GR10 has more bottom than the other MAs but it doesn't sound that way. Its very textured but not as punchy as the Ortos overall. Gives slightly more instrument differentiation but also slightly less push. I can understand all the debate about them and their sig. Of all the headphones I've owned, these have changed more by source than any other and it has nothing to do with drivability. They're just in a select group that's revealing and neutral enough to tell you what you're doing right or wrong. If they have a fault, depending on preference, other than the surprising lack of accessories, it's a mixed one. They may be too good for many of the DAP setups they get used with but that also isn't unique to them. If you've got a good source, you can go to the large tip and use a shallow seal. They're very open that way but for most DAPs, they'll be better deeper.

post #42 of 94
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The E-q5 has more lower treble and less absolute resolve and extension. Try some Hybrids on them. Just a bit forward and punchy, they have a really great fun sound that way. I think them a good buy.

 

 I don't find the mids forward in use on the GR10 other than an extremely slight bump (1-2db) in the presence range. If you look at the earlier graphs, it looks like the GR10 has more bottom than the other MAs but it doesn't sound that way. Its very textured but not as punchy as the Ortos overall. Gives slightly more instrument differentiation but also slightly less push. I can understand all the debate about them and their sig. Of all the headphones I've owned, these have changed more by source than any other and it has nothing to do with drivability. They're just in a select group that's revealing and neutral enough to tell you what you're doing right or wrong. If they have a fault, depending on preference, other than the surprising lack of accessories, it's a mixed one. They may be too good for many of the DAP setups they get used with but that also isn't unique to them. If you've got a good source, you can go to the large tip and use a shallow seal. They're very open that way but for most DAPs, they'll be better deeper.



Yeah, I agree with almost everything you said there. I honestly do't care for graphs though, as it's about what YOU hear.

post #43 of 94
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The E-q5 has more lower treble and less absolute resolve and extension. Try some Hybrids on them. Just a bit forward and punchy, they have a really great fun sound that way. I think them a good buy.

 in the presence range. If you look at the earlier graphs, it looks like the GR10 has more bottom than the other MAs but it doesn't sound that way. Its very textured but not as punchy as the Ortos overall. Gives slightly more instrument differentiation but also slightly less push. I can understand all the debate about them and their sig. Of all the headphones I've owned, these have changed more by source than any other and it has nothing to do with drivability. They're just in a select group that's revealing and neutral enough to tell you what you're doing right or wrong. If they have a fault, depending on preference, other than the surprising lack of accessories, it's a mixed one. They may be too good for many of the DAP setups they get used with but that also isn't unique to them. If you've got a good source, you can go to the large tip and use a shallow seal. They're very open that way but for most DAPs, they'll be better deeper.


Right on GoodVibes The Sony Hybrids are my favorite on the Ortos. I do like the Stocks at times also, but the Sony's open up the sound a little. I also agree totally on the Ortos 5's being source dependent,  I don't really like them on my Nano, but on my Sony they are really amazing. Sony tends to be a little warmer, but I never really notice this much difference with other phones. One thing that I'm really surprised about with the Orto's is (my ears) how they handle older not really well done recordings. I listen to this stuff alot, and I still don;t understand why they sound so well with bad recordings, yet are so clear/transparent, and airy. again YVMV Very impressive, so much so, I may take a look into these GR-10 also

 

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Right on GoodVibes The Sony Hybrids are my favorite on the Ortos. I do like the Stocks at times also, but the Sony's open up the sound a little. I also agree totally on the Ortos 5's being source dependent,  I don't really like them on my Nano, but on my Sony they are really amazing. Sony tends to be a little warmer, but I never really notice this much difference with other phones. One thing that I'm really surprised about with the Orto's is (my ears) how they handle older not really well done recordings. I listen to this stuff alot, and I still don;t understand why they sound so well with bad recordings, yet are so clear/transparent, and airy. again YVMV Very impressive, so much so, I may take a look into these GR-10 also

 

No surprise, considering that the Ortofon's are among the most transparent in-ears I've ever owned. smile.gif

 

post #45 of 94
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

The E-q5 has more lower treble and less absolute resolve and extension. Try some Hybrids on them. Just a bit forward and punchy, they have a really great fun sound that way. I think them a good buy.

 

 I don't find the mids forward in use on the GR10 other than an extremely slight bump (1-2db) in the presence range. If you look at the earlier graphs, it looks like the GR10 has more bottom than the other MAs but it doesn't sound that way. Its very textured but not as punchy as the Ortos overall. Gives slightly more instrument differentiation but also slightly less push. I can understand all the debate about them and their sig. Of all the headphones I've owned, these have changed more by source than any other and it has nothing to do with drivability. They're just in a select group that's revealing and neutral enough to tell you what you're doing right or wrong. If they have a fault, depending on preference, other than the surprising lack of accessories, it's a mixed one. They may be too good for many of the DAP setups they get used with but that also isn't unique to them. If you've got a good source, you can go to the large tip and use a shallow seal. They're very open that way but for most DAPs, they'll be better deeper.


Good post!  The GR10 is the most unique IEM I have listened to. The music is floating on air.  That natural airiness is downright intoxicating.  I prefer a heavier slam with some music but with acoustic and vocal I found GR10 every bit as good as JH13 and JH16.
 

 

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