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minute variances

 

 

That is why I suggest measuring an extremely poor cable, so the minute variances are magnified and we know where to look.

 

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That is why I suggest measuring an extremely poor cable, so the minute variances are magnified and we know where to look.

 


 

... probably very difficult to find

 

regards
 

 

post #333 of 341

 

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Originally Posted by kiteki

 

. . . an example of where this software is used to measure a speaker . . .

 

At least you now concede that soundstage is quantifiable.  Finally.

 

I assume you understand that all you need to do is to throw up a pair of microphones at the listening position to record the soundstage of the speakers of your choice.  Trivial.

 

 

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If you can't provide any data this discussion is closed.

 

I, and others, have provided you with a great deal of information, including answering your demand for a graph of a soundstage - all in easily digestible form.  You chose not to learn.

 

OTOH, you don't appear to have any information, other than a chart of metals. rolleyes.gif

 

To my knowledge, no one anywhere has ever demonstrated differences in competently made cables.  Even a home hobbiest with simple equipment can measure sound accurately and with great repeatibility.  These measurements extend well past audibility.  If there were audible differences between cables we would have data to back this up.  So, where is it?

 

Similarly, if these differences were apparent, those who make the recordings you listen to would all use them.  Instead, you are listening to boatloads of copper Mogami and Canare.  The cost is not a factor.  We spend thousands on a single microphone.  If a $300 cable would improve the sound everyone would use them.  The cost is trivial. 

 

Even the manufacturers of interconnects with prices in the multiple thousands for a single pair are wholly unable to demonstrate any difference.  Your demand for clear, irrefutable proof should be directed at them.  They are the ones seeking your money.  Apparently successfully.  tongue.gif

 

I easily met your demand for a picture of a soundstage.  Purrin posted objective evidence of headphone cables making no measureable difference.

 

Now it is your turn.  Find actual clear proof that cables audibly change sound.  Post up!

post #334 of 341

 

You can provoke me with b/s all you want but anyone that has read this thread with accuracy knows that I don't support cables and I'm being more scientific than you are.  The very little information you have provided me, I have studied at depth.  I am asking you for data, and you are providing me with none.

 

 

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That is why I suggest measuring an extremely poor cable, so the minute variances are magnified and we know where to look.

 

 

... probably very difficult to find

 

regards
 


Try post #316 on the previous page.

 

 

post #336 of 341

 

You know Wapiti, the problem I am having is you are not respecting anyones opinion other than your own, in some cases I can accept that attitude, if the person has a reason to act like that, but I have asked you for data about 10 times now, and still to this moment all you have shown me is an irrelevant screenshot, I looked up the software you were showing me and it doesn't measure microphone recordings of anything.

 

I am trying to contribute to this thread with ebay links to cheap Silver and NiChrome cables and suggestions on how to further the knowledge on cables for the benefit of all people involved. -

 

 

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Be careful there girl, you're starting to talk sense.

Can't really blame anyone though, because even I wouldn't bother trying to test something that I 1. believe would lead to nowhere. I'm sure there have been plenty of tests, but the fruits of their efforts have mostly disappeared into legend around here.


Sorry about the late quote/reply.

 

1. You believed you could hear the difference between FLAC and MP3 320, right? So you did a scentific blind test. AFAIK you don't have any dynamic driver headphones, or any silver cables, so in fact, the analogy is you have only listened to MP3 320 your whole life, and you have not even heard FLAC (silver), right? So, I'm sorry for this analogy, but you shouldn't believe MP3 320 is better than FLAC, until you have at least heard FLAC, is that not correct? ;)

 

I have not heard silver/flac either, but I don't believe that studies will lead to nowhere, because I don't have the right to!

 


Edited by kiteki - 10/20/11 at 12:49pm
post #337 of 341
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

You can provoke me with b/s all you want but anyone that has read this thread with accuracy knows that I don't support cables and I'm being more scientific than you are.  The very little information you have provided me, I have studied at depth.  I am asking you for data, and you are providing me with none.

 

 



good point, all he does is argue back with nothing to back him up besides more nonsense and insults. 

 

 

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You can provoke me with b/s all you want but anyone that has read this thread with accuracy knows that I don't support cables and I'm being more scientific than you are.

 


No provocation. 

 

You claimed:

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"If you want to prove a headphone has a wide soundstage you can't take a photo because that type of camera does not exist, so our science is lacking."

 

Sorry, but they do exist.  I provided you with examples of such cameras. (There are more, BTW.)  Oddly, you claim they do not do precisely what they are designed to perform:measure and represent, as well as manipulate, soundstage.  Even the review you cited points to this.  Yet you continue to deny. <facepalm> 

 

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  Third Law, Arthur C. Clark 

 

Purrin and others who measure headphones have never found a difference in cables is not provocation - it's true.  Similarly true is that cable manufactures have failed to do demonstrate differences between cables.  Those who work professionally with sound don't bother with "special" cables.  Nothing provocative.  If you have contrary information let us know.

 

 

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I don't support cables

 

So what are you arguing? What is your proposition other than your failed claim that we cannot quantify soundstage?

 

 

 

 

post #339 of 341
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Originally Posted by Head Injury View Post

We have the ability to measure well beyond audibility, even with rather poor equipment.



And whose audibility are you referring to?

post #340 of 341
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And whose audibility are you referring to?



20 to 20,000... the general limits of human hearing

post #341 of 341
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Originally Posted by cheapskateaudio View Post

At low volumes there was definitely a veil with the old cable. 



at low volumes grados sound veiled. 

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