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HD650, the veil is gone!  

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DIY project page:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/575950/diy-5ft-solid-silver-hd600-650-cables-veil-smashers#post_7823826

 

Just built 5ft solid silver interconnects and the veil is gone. More treble, more bass, better sound stage, better imaging, better everything. One thing I was noticing with the old cable and the uDac was that at low volumes the treble volume seemed to drop off faster, well, no more, volume control is even across the sound spectrum. The whole spectrum of sound is faster, lighter, more open, easier to listen to. 

 

Below is a parts list, the total price is around $75-$100. I'm sure you can go forgo the Silver Solder and save $24.

 

Silver Wire:

http://www.fdjtool.com/ProductInfo/I-SRWP22.aspx

 

1/16" Shrink Wrap:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=082-014

 

1/4" Shrink Wrap:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=082-034

 

Neutrik 1/4" Headphone Plug:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=092-320

 

Silver Solder:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=093-586

 

HD600/650 Cardas Plugs:

http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/16501

 

I got this "recipe" from another site on the web that showed how to build a DIY silver interconnect. I can say with confidence that you will be happy with how this sounds compared to the stock cable, it's really uncanny how much better it is.

 

If anyone is curious I can post pictures and some basic steps to building your own, it only took about 3 hours, most of that time was spent pushing wire through the heat shrink, kind of a tedious process.

 

Key Points:

Get "dead soft" 99.9% pure silver wire.

Carefully push it through the heat shrink, try not to kink it. 

On the Neutrik plug the center post is left, the outer post is right, and the sheath is ground.

On the HPSC cardas plugs, the small post is signal, and the large post is ground.

A hair dryer could work for the heat shrink, but you could also try holding the wire close to an electric stove top. 

 

 

 

 


Edited by cheapskateaudio - 10/14/11 at 11:27pm
post #2 of 341

The HD650 never had a veil.

post #3 of 341
Thread Starter 

At low volumes there was definitely a veil with the old cable. 

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I'm pretty sure the veil problem have more to do with the uDAC than the stock cable. uDAC is a pretty warm DAC.

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I haven't specifically heard the effect in HD650's, but I've owned HD600's and HD580's for several years.  IMHO, there's no other headphone that improves as much with re-cabling as this Sennheiser family of headphones.  Certainly, a pair of Cardas cables (which I obtained several years ago from a friend) can make all the difference in the world with a pair of Sennheisers.  The amp can definitely enter into the equation on whether the "veil" is lifted, but the cables have a huge effect as well.  So, I would take the OP at his word unless you've listened to the before and after effects with his setup. smily_headphones1.gif

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The HD650 never had a veil.


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The HD650 never had a veil.


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Co-signed.

post #8 of 341

That's hard to believe when all the most experienced Head-Fiers say the HD650 is more laid back and recessed than the HD600. wink.gif

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Thread Starter 

The veil is real for some people, the cause or solutions can be different I am sure. I listen at the lowest possible volume on the uDac 2, is it a problem with the uDac, could be. Not only is volume louder with the new cable, but volume control is more precise. Previously the treble volume would roll off as the volume was decreased, that effect is now gone.  

 

I never turn the uDac2 above 12 oclock, I usually listen around 9-10 oclock, so I listen near the very lowest point that sound actually comes out of the uDac and thus the veil can be heard for me personally. The cables have cleared that up and a LOT MORE...  

 

It's amazing how much more detail there is really, more air, more everything, I think most of the difficulty amping the HD650 may be in the cable, lol. 


Edited by cheapskateaudio - 10/14/11 at 8:12pm
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whats the point of silver cable if the headphone plugs/senn plugs and internal wire of the headphone are still copper.

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If anyone is curious I can post pictures and some basic steps to building your own, it only took about 3 hours, most of that time was spent pushing wire through the heat shrink, kind of a tedious process.

 



Yes, please. That seems like a fun and not too difficult DIY project.

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whats the point of silver cable if the headphone plugs/senn plugs and internal wire of the headphone are still copper.


No doubt someone will reason that "every little bit counts", just like fancy power cables when you have miles of power lines leading to your house rolleyes.gif

 

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No doubt someone will reason that "every little bit counts", just like fancy power cables when you have miles of power lines leading to your house rolleyes.gif

 

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For the record HI the difference on the 650 is more than subtle.

 

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whats the point of silver cable if the headphone plugs/senn plugs and internal wire of the headphone are still copper.


This is a common misconception.  It's like saying why make the wire bigger when it necks down to such a little bit at the connector and in the headband?  The fact is, whatever superiority the silver has to copper is multiplied by the length involved with the cable compared to the small bit of copper in the connector and internal wiring.  The amp sees the entire resistance, capacitance and inductance of the total wire length, the connectors, and the drivers.  Whatever you can do to reduce one of those components in series is going to improve the overall load seen by the amplifier.
 

 

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For the record HI the difference on the 650 is more than subtle.


I'd love to see measurements of the stock cable then. They must butcher the treble response.

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