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post #9331 of 11320

I own the LCD-3 classic and the LCD-X. Like many of you, I was excited with the the buzzword "Fazor technology". I prefer the LCD-3 to the LCD-X, and the HE-6 to the LCD-x. There is no chance I'll be upgrading the the LCD-3 to the Fazor because I do not want to touch that marvellous bass. Loose bass is something Audeze was not known for, but with this upgrade they are. LCD-X in my opinion is a completely different sounding headphone than the classic LCD-3 and LCD-2, a lot less bass quantity with more treble presence and imaging improvement.

 

I for one would still pay a premium for the classic LCD-3 because of the fantastic bass and intimate presentation.

post #9332 of 11320
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post
 

The interesting question, regardless of whether the Fazor is new or not, is what you were looking for in the LCD 3. Are you just looking for a TOTL can or are you looking for the Audeze house sound which was more organic than the other house sounds from other TOTL cans? 

Absolutely correct! It comes down to exactly what a person is looking for in a headphone. If you're a bass head and just gotta have the heavy bass over everything else, [priority] then any change in the drivers or other (fazors) that tends to make for a more neutral and even presentation would then be considered a step in the wrong direction. If a person likes a more neutral [uncolored or less dark or more true to the actual recording] with faster transients while maintaining good strong bass with beautiful mids and crystal clear (not rolled off) treble, THEN that person might well be more interested in the X. That person would be me BTW. Sounds like a whole bunch of peeps on here are serious committed bass heads. I love the bass but I really like the presentation to be as accurate to the actual recording as possible also.

 

Thus I just traded in my LCD3(c) for the X. I don't think I have read a single review where anyone claimed the X was bass light. They have a little less body in the bass, but still have a ton of good hard hitting bass with better clarity and instrumental separation in the bass regions. At least from what I have read since I have not received the new phones yet. Ideally I would have liked to purchase the X and keep my LCD3s also but right now not possible. I traded my 3s (classic) with near 2000 hours on them for the X as an even swap. Agonized over that decision for quite some time too. And they did sound beautiful. However, I knew that they were somewhat darker than a lot of the music I was listening to really was, and I wanted the treble to not be rolled off so the X are headed my way (in Fort Worth right now).

 

SO what it comes down to is whether a person places greatest emphasis on bass or do they want equal weighting on the whole frequency spectrum. And Audeze is making that choice available. Or to some extent WAS before they started changing to adding the fazors but fortunately there are still plenty of older LCD2s and 3s that might become available for the die-hard bassheads out there. Time will tell if I made the right decision or not. I feel like I did but then I am not willing to sacrifice the rest of the frequency spectrum for bass. Maybe Audeze will make the LCD3s available without the fazors in the future for those who just gotta have it that way. Personally I feel like this whole bass thing is getting blown way out of proportion like they are making bass light cans now and that is not true. Different horses for courses I guess... 

post #9333 of 11320
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post

Then you go back to your place of purchase and complain.
But what's the retailer's fault in all of this? Even they didn't know about this.
post #9334 of 11320
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Originally Posted by RebelRising View Post

Precisely. Or outright return the thing. If the sound signature is obviously not your cup of tea, then look elsewhere.
Not all retailers accept returned items smily_headphones1.gif
post #9335 of 11320
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post
 

Absolutely correct! It comes down to exactly what a person is looking for in a headphone. If you're a bass head and just gotta have the heavy bass over everything else, [priority] then any change in the drivers or other (fazors) that tends to make for a more neutral and even presentation would then be considered a step in the wrong direction. If a person likes a more neutral [uncolored or less dark or more true to the actual recording] with faster transients while maintaining good strong bass with beautiful mids and crystal clear (not rolled off) treble, THEN that person might well be more interested in the X. That person would be me BTW. Sounds like a whole bunch of peeps on here are serious committed bass heads. I love the bass but I really like the presentation to be as accurate to the actual recording as possible also.

 

Thus I just traded in my LCD3(c) for the X. I don't think I have read a single review where anyone claimed the X was bass light. They have a little less body in the bass, but still have a ton of good hard hitting bass with better clarity and instrumental separation in the bass regions. At least from what I have read since I have not received the new phones yet. Ideally I would have liked to purchase the X and keep my LCD3s also but right now not possible. I traded my 3s (classic) with near 2000 hours on them for the X as an even swap. Agonized over that decision for quite some time too. And they did sound beautiful. However, I knew that they were somewhat darker than a lot of the music I was listening to really was, and I wanted the treble to not be rolled off so the X are headed my way (in Fort Worth right now).

 

SO what it comes down to is whether a person places greatest emphasis on bass or do they want equal weighting on the whole frequency spectrum. And Audeze is making that choice available. Or to some extent WAS before they started changing to adding the fazors but fortunately there are still plenty of older LCD2s and 3s that might become available for the die-hard bassheads out there. Time will tell if I made the right decision or not. I feel like I did but then I am not willing to sacrifice the rest of the frequency spectrum for bass. Maybe Audeze will make the LCD3s available without the fazors in the future for those who just gotta have it that way. Personally I feel like this whole bass thing is getting blown way out of proportion like they are making bass light cans now and that is not true. Different horses for courses I guess... 


As a bass head, LCD-x is bass light. I do not enjoy my electronic, or other bass-heavy genres with it especially when I have the LCD-3 within hands reach.

post #9336 of 11320

I am kinda scratching my head reading these references to the LCD 3(c) being "bass-heavy"). My 3(c) sounds very neutral. I mean, compared to the TH 900 (that I am currently A/B ing) the 3(c) provides the bass when required but not "bass heavy". I think we all need a reference level of hearing first. Then come source/DAC/Amps etc. My $ 0.02.

post #9337 of 11320

I am really loving the LCD3F with the Conductor. Maybe I should get another one and stash it as a backup with all this talk about changes. The LCDX never had that sweet sound for me like the 3 does.

 

Can't say I could tell much difference between the 3C and the 3F. Just was a little more dynamic sounding which was probably more due to the better efficiency making it a little louder. Didn't hear any difference in bass and no way the 3F is lacking bass. Always said if you have a 3C, don't bother with the upgrades. I think with these you really need a top class amp/dac to hear what they are capable of. They lose a lot of the magic with my NFB15. I remember when I had the HE400 I tried a whole bunch of amps with it and could barely tell any difference so I ended up getting the cheapest one. With the 3F, I can hear everything, I can even hear cables now. Before I was using a $2 5m extension cable with my HE400 and couldn't tell any difference but know it makes me cringe.

post #9338 of 11320
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

I am kinda scratching my head reading these references to the LCD 3(c) being "bass-heavy"). My 3(c) sounds very neutral. I mean, compared to the TH 900 (that I am currently A/B ing) the 3(c) provides the bass when required but not "bass heavy". I think we all need a reference level of hearing first. Then come source/DAC/Amps etc. My $ 0.02.


Agree at least the 3s I had I would not call them "bass heavy". In fact they were beautiful sounding but definitely not neutral to my ears anyway. And that reference level of hearing would be a really great idea since so many are trying to decide on fairly big ticket purchases of phones going by what reviews there are on the net. My last industrial hearing test (long time ago) had my hearing rated very good with some drop-off in the very highest frequencies but not terribly bad. I just got it in my head that I would really like to hear how the X renders musical selections so I will find out. And not one person hears things exactly the way someone else does or with the same musical tastes either. I do wish I had not exited my LCD3s though. That may prove to be not one of my smartest moves there. Oh well.

post #9339 of 11320
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

I am kinda scratching my head reading these references to the LCD 3(c) being "bass-heavy"). My 3(c) sounds very neutral. I mean, compared to the TH 900 (that I am currently A/B ing) the 3(c) provides the bass when required but not "bass heavy". I think we all need a reference level of hearing first. Then come source/DAC/Amps etc. My $ 0.02.

Never mentioned LCD-3 being bass heavy but I said it has the perfect bass from a headphone, and I've tried sooo many. @mlxx, good point I'm satisfied with my classic LCD-3 but I wish they worked on making their headphones more comfortable ;).

post #9340 of 11320
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post


Not all retailers accept returned items smily_headphones1.gif

 

 

Find one that does then. 

 

Your back and forth attempted discussion with the 1 liner quips is accomplishing nothing.  You are even arguing against people who have actually done A/B comparisons between the (C) and (F) models, simply because the chart on a piece of paper you read on a website.

 

 

What do you want Audeze to do for you to make sure you are happy?  Should they send you a free pair every upgrade and send a personal e-mail to you whenever their R&D department figures out some new advancement?  You're going back and forth just for the sake of it now and every single person has counter pointed your arguments, yet you disregard them.

 

It's done, the change is made, they aren't going to undo their R&D cycle, so move on already and quit being a Sandy Susan.

post #9341 of 11320
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Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post
 

Never mentioned LCD-3 being bass heavy but I said it has the perfect bass from a headphone, and I've tried sooo many. @mlxx, good point I'm satisfied with my classic LCD-3 but I wish they worked on making their headphones more comfortable ;).

Fair enough. You did not say "bass heavy" at all. And yes, if there is such a thing as "correct bass" then the 3(c) has it. BTW, I hate typing 3(c) but with the 3(f) what choice does one have?

post #9342 of 11320
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post
 


Agree at least the 3s I had I would not call them "bass heavy". In fact they were beautiful sounding but definitely not neutral to my ears anyway. And that reference level of hearing would be a really great idea since so many are trying to decide on fairly big ticket purchases of phones going by what reviews there are on the net. My last industrial hearing test (long time ago) had my hearing rated very good with some drop-off in the very highest frequencies but not terribly bad. I just got it in my head that I would really like to hear how the X renders musical selections so I will find out. And not one person hears things exactly the way someone else does or with the same musical tastes either. I do wish I had not exited my LCD3s though. That may prove to be not one of my smartest moves there. Oh well.

My way of hearing the 3(c) is that it really favors no one portion of the sound curve. As a counter-example, the TH 900 accentuates both the bottom and the top end. In that sense it is neutral to me. I apologize if I have distorted the conventional meaning of the word. Of course, comparing a closed-end and open-end is fraught with danger:wink:

post #9343 of 11320

I think that for the sake of quelling argument that its really hard to go really wrong with any of the Audeze phones for the most part. I loved my LCD 2r2s, I REALLY loved my LCD3s, and I HOPE I love these new X phones. What I SHOULD have done was just rent the X first to see how they compared to the 3s -but- I didn't think I would have them long enough to really go thru all the music in the library and the reviews were all so generally favorable that I figured what the heck just go for it. I miss my LCD3s though. On the other hand I am just not happy unless I am taking a risk...  :D

post #9344 of 11320
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Originally Posted by bonesnv View Post


Find one that does then. 

Your back and forth attempted discussion with the 1 liner quips is accomplishing nothing.  You are even arguing against people who have actually done A/B comparisons between the (C) and (F) models, simply because the chart on a piece of paper you read on a website.


What do you want Audeze to do for you to make sure you are happy?  Should they send you a free pair every upgrade and send a personal e-mail to you whenever their R&D department figures out some new advancement?  You're going back and forth just for the sake of it now and every single person has counter pointed your arguments, yet you disregard them.

It's done, the change is made, they aren't going to undo their R&D cycle, so move on already and quit being a Sandy Susan.
The majority of users have stated that the 3F's have less bass so I'm not basing this on measurements only.

I have yet to see a good argument that supports their decision to hide these changes. Is there a new version? Let everyone know through an announcement on the site or something. At this point even if I really like my 3s I find it impossible to recommend them since I'm not and will never be even remotely sure that a new pair sounds similar.

I agree, Audeze should improve their products as much as they can. The thing I don't agree with is changing things without letting the end users know.

Maybe this doesn't bother you and I respect your oppinion. We'll just have to agree to disagree smily_headphones1.gif
post #9345 of 11320
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post


...We'll just have to agree to disagree smily_headphones1.gif

 

 

That happens a lot here, lol.

 

I can say that I do see your point of view.  I guess it being somewhat more common practice in the US for companies to do this (and maybe abroad as well, don't know) that I may take it for granted, that it simply is the way of things.

 

Now, back to listening...  :gs1000smile:

 

...and beer...

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