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post #8416 of 9799
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Not so sure that an aftermarket copper would have so much body and intimacy. Aftermarket OCC high purity copper tends to tighten de bass and add some air.

 

There are exceptions I agree. The stock is not great as copper cables go. It is of course more bottom tilted than say silver or SPC cables. From my experience run of the mill OCC copper will keep all the positives of stock and more at the bottom, with a cleaner background and slightly better instrument separation and resolution. Don't want to overblow the differences. It's what you'd normally expect from a cable swap.

 

Sounds about what I heard when I swapped stock Audeze to the Q. All subtle but improved.

post #8417 of 9799
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Originally Posted by Deverica Wolf View Post
 

 

Aye. My Rega is a warm too. What other DAC around $1000 would be compatible to keep that attack?

BDA-1

post #8418 of 9799
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

right now moon audio balanced silver dragon with rhodium xlr's.

before that a single-ended molecule from double helix cables

the bass is better on balanced, but still not LCD-2 bass.  and it won't happen, the LCD-2's are darker and are more bassy, which i think works better with some music. no doubt the LCD-3 is the better headphone, but it seems to be more neutral and balanced rather than fun with great bass.
+1. I find the 3 to be more neutral than the 2.2 but "less fun" as DG says. I keep thinking that this is probably due to the higher end being more emphasized by the 3 relative to the 2.2 and hence the overall balanced presentation.
post #8419 of 9799
DG, in your opinion do the rhodium XLR connectors make a difference compared to the regular Furutech ? I saw the price and have to think hard over ordering one. Thanks
post #8420 of 9799
I have always been very vocal about my dislike of the HD800 and my love of my LCD-2 r2.2; I've recently demoed the Stax 007 and the HE6 and I still thought nothing come close to my LCD-2. A friend came to visit me from the UK recently, he's been composing and producing music for big budget movies for over the last ten years, involving conducting and recording full orchestras around the world. He's got a very nice digital surround monitor system in his studio at the pinewood studios which I've listened to and liked very much, so I thought I'd ask his opinions about my headphones. He told me he heard the HD800 before and thought they were very good. I told him in terms of sounding neutral, nothing can beat my LCD-2 r2.2, and I let him listen to them, with various pop, dance and rock music tracks, just via the headphone out from my Focusrite interface. He was pleasantly surprised by them and thought the bass sounded amazing, then I let him listen to my LCD-3. He thought the LCD-3 had more details but in general, he preferred the LCD-2 and he was even considered getting a pair then, so he could use them for work when he travels. I also let him listened to the HD800 too as reference and he agreed they sounded bad, with piercing treble and no bass.

He then asked me if I had any classical music for him to listen to, but as I had my CD collection in storage at the time, the only thing I could find on my computer was an Elaine Page album, Stages. With that particular album, he much preferred the LCD-3, he said he could hear much more details with them than the LCD-2, and the sound was much richer and fuller. Then I asked him to try out the HD800 as a comparison. As soon as the strings intro came in, he went "Wow!" He said the Hd800 sounded so incredible with orchestral music, the sound was full with amazing soundstage, and that he definitely wanted get a pair. He said in terms of details, the LCD-3 comes close to the HD800 but the soundstage of the HD800 was just incredible. I've also let him listen to all 3 headphones balanced though my Schitt Mjolnir and like me, he couldn't hear any significant differences.

So I come to the conclusion : All those top headphones are great, it really depends on what you use them for. LCD-2 r2.2 work great if you want a pair of headphones that sound neutral and reference monitors like. But if you like classic or acoustic music, the HD800 (probably the Stax and HE6 too) would give you a much better listening experience than headphones that sound neutral or accurate. My 2 cents. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

I can agree about the forwardness part in terms of positioning, in particular to vocals. Otherwise not how I hear it. The LCD-3 has improved transients (better attack and faster decays) and better transparency. The LCD-2 is more laid back and mellowed. But to summarize the LCD-3 just sounds a whole level up from the LCD-2s. If one can snatch an used LCD2s to walk through that level and see if they like the house sound and all that, by all means do it. They are nice headphones.

A lot of people worry a lot about milimeters with the bass. All the top headphones have great bass. Yes, that includes the Audezes but also the HD800s, the HE6, Stax 007s, 009s etc. Imho there are much more important aspects to sound quality (transients, transparency, tonal balance, soundstage & imaging etc). 
post #8421 of 9799

On the topic of variance:

 

I have listened to 4 pairs of LCD-3s. 3 of them I had all at the same time which consisted of one that had been re-worked for veiling and two that were S/N 261 from about August last year. All 3 of them sounded incredibly similar but the re-worked one had a strange "ringing" at around middle C on a piano which was a bit strange. I recently had a chance to compare my year old LCD-3 against a brand new pair manufactured during summer 2013. There was talk that perhaps Audeze had adjusted their driver profile again. I could not hear evidence of this, the two were incredibly similar. I thought I heard very slight differences here and there but I could have been convincing myself of it. I think the differences in graphs are due to changes in the measuring set-up rather than headphones.

 

So why do some think the LCD-3 has less bass and others thing it has more? I have a theory on this. If you pull the headphones very slightly away from your ear (use the connectors on the bottom to do this), the mid bass increases dramatically. It occurred to me that depending on how good the seal is against your head with the LCD-3 pads, could drastically alter the bass perception. Depending on the shape of your head, wearing glasses, jewellery, thickness of hair etc, could all change bass perception. The LCD 2s seem to less affected by this.

post #8422 of 9799

Completely agree with Danz03, great post. I've been recently comparing a number of my headphones, including the LCD-3 vs HE-6 vs HD800.

 

HD800 has an amazing sound stage and depth with air that the others cannot match. The imaging is also excellent as you can quickly pinpoint different instruments. The bass is very lacking, even though you can hear and interpret it, I believe it has lowered quantity of bass which makes it not neutral at all.

 

The LCD-3 on the other hand, has the best bass I've experienced from a headphone. I wasn't a fan of the LCD-2 because of the very narrow sound stage and emphasis on mid + bass with little treble. The LCD-3 did fix this problem for me and the sound stage is a bit more open. I think the LCD-3 is excellent for modern compressed music, ie: pop and electronic. But I also really enjoy hard rock with them, mainly because of the fantastic reproduction of the lower frequency region (around 100 hz and lower). They really remind me of the Stax 007mkI that I own, but the Stax has better imaging and treble plus the stat goodness of making sound appear out of nowhere with extreme speed.

 

The HE-6 is similar to the HD800 in the regard of the genres it excels in. It has more satisfactory bass than the HD800 and I find I can enjoy electronic music + other bass-oriented stuff. The trick is getting the right pairing for the HE-6, and my speaker amp (Alesis RA150) is doing a great job. Once you get the right pairing, you won't be disappointed. LCD-3 has an advantage on the HE-6 as getting the right amp for it is not that tricky and I find that the Phonitor is doing a good job.

post #8423 of 9799
Tend to agree with negura. I A/B 'd the 2.2 and 3 all day today, first with the 2.2 and then the 3. After listening to the former, I go wow, great etc. only to have the 3 simply expand the sound stage, give more detail and have great extension either end. I wanted to like the 2.2 more but I could not.
As a result of this exercise, I think I will give up on my Hifimans for good. Now to sell 'em. 😄
post #8424 of 9799

Wow. The last several posts have been extremely informative.

 

Thank you.

post #8425 of 9799
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Originally Posted by Danz03 View Post

I have always been very vocal about my dislike of the HD800 and my love of my LCD-2 r2.2; I've recently demoed the Stax 007 and the HE6 and I still thought nothing come close to my LCD-2. A friend came to visit me from the UK recently, he's been composing and producing music for big budget movies for over the last ten years, involving conducting and recording full orchestras around the world. He's got a very nice digital surround monitor system in his studio at the pinewood studios which I've listened to and liked very much, so I thought I'd ask his opinions about my headphones. He told me he heard the HD800 before and thought they were very good. I told him in terms of sounding neutral, nothing can beat my LCD-2 r2.2, and I let him listen to them, with various pop, dance and rock music tracks, just via the headphone out from my Focusrite interface. He was pleasantly surprised by them and thought the bass sounded amazing, then I let him listen to my LCD-3. He thought the LCD-3 had more details but in general, he preferred the LCD-2 and he was even considered getting a pair then, so he could use them for work when he travels. I also let him listened to the HD800 too as reference and he agreed they sounded bad, with piercing treble and no bass.

He then asked me if I had any classical music for him to listen to, but as I had my CD collection in storage at the time, the only thing I could find on my computer was an Elaine Page album, Stages. With that particular album, he much preferred the LCD-3, he said he could hear much more details with them than the LCD-2, and the sound was much richer and fuller. Then I asked him to try out the HD800 as a comparison. As soon as the strings intro came in, he went "Wow!" He said the Hd800 sounded so incredible with orchestral music, the sound was full with amazing soundstage, and that he definitely wanted get a pair. He said in terms of details, the LCD-3 comes close to the HD800 but the soundstage of the HD800 was just incredible. I've also let him listen to all 3 headphones balanced though my Schitt Mjolnir and like me, he couldn't hear any significant differences.

So I come to the conclusion : All those top headphones are great, it really depends on what you use them for. LCD-2 r2.2 work great if you want a pair of headphones that sound neutral and reference monitors like. But if you like classic or acoustic music, the HD800 (probably the Stax and HE6 too) would give you a much better listening experience than headphones that sound neutral or accurate. My 2 cents. wink.gif

 

 

I have both LCD3 and HD800 and I must say that I don't agree at all about the hd800s not having good bass. I had the same impressions on an inadequate amp for it. If you look at the impedance graph it seems to need > 600 ohms in the bass region. If the amp cannot provide that, HD800 won't have bass. Even the treble is ok on a good setup, and the bass could be great.

 

When i had LCD2 and heard LCD3 for the first time I tended to like the LCD2 but in time I realized that LCD3 are over LCD2 on almost every aspect, especially soundstage, details, transients.


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 10/27/13 at 3:55pm
post #8426 of 9799
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

 

 

I have both LCD3 and HD800 and I must say that I don't agree at all about the hd800s not having good bass. I had the same impressions on an inadequate amp for it. If you look at the impedance graph it seems to need > 600 ohms in the bass region. If the amp cannot provide that, HD800 won't have bass. Even the treble is ok on a good setup.

 

When i had LCD2 and heard LCD3 for the first time I tended to like the LCD2 but in time I realized that LCD3 are over LCD2 on almost every aspect, especially soundstage, details, transients.

I think HD800's can sound shrill the same way LCD-3's can sound flat and lifeless, when they aren't getting the right juice.  I thought HD800's have very good bass.

post #8427 of 9799
Wow, great posts! I love hearing everyone's impressions, experiences, and opinions on the top aforementioned headphones.

Feedback like this pushed me in the direction of an LCD3/Bryston BHA1/BDA2 combo desktop rig that I'm very happy with. Now I'm getting an itch to add a tube amp to the setup to mix it up a little.

Working up the price scale I'm considering Woo wa7, wa22, or stratus. I've listened to several amps at the canjam in Denver, but I've never found that environment conducive for critical listening. I did enjoy my brief head-time with the wa22 and cavalli LG however.

Which tube amp are you using with your Audeze? No explanation needed.....I know how it goes. The name of the amp will suffice. smily_headphones1.gif
post #8428 of 9799
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Originally Posted by johnnybrick View Post

Wow, great posts! I love hearing everyone's impressions, experiences, and opinions on the top aforementioned headphones.

Feedback like this pushed me in the direction of an LCD3/Bryston BHA1/BDA2 combo desktop rig that I'm very happy with. Now I'm getting an itch to add a tube amp to the setup to mix it up a little.

Working up the price scale I'm considering Woo wa7, wa22, or stratus. I've listened to several amps at the canjam in Denver, but I've never found that environment conducive for critical listening. I did enjoy my brief head-time with the wa22 and cavalli LG however.

Which tube amp are you using with your Audeze? No explanation needed.....I know how it goes. The name of the amp will suffice. smily_headphones1.gif

 

I'm quite happy w/my Decware Taboo MK3.  It's even better with the CSP3 (preamp).

post #8429 of 9799
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Which tube amp are you using with your Audeze? No explanation needed.....I know how it goes. The name of the amp will suffice. smily_headphones1.gif

Cavalli Liquid Glass with LCD-3. I'm happy with the combo, but you do need to tube roll to find the best match for the Audeze's.
post #8430 of 9799
Depends on the type of music you're listening to, try some hip hop or dance with the hd800 you'll know what I mean, no amp in this world can make them sound right, you just won't get the thump. With acoustic music, it seems like the lack of bass and the extra brightness don't really matter that much, in fact, they add details and enhance the soundstage.
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post


I have both LCD3 and HD800 and I must say that I don't agree at all about the hd800s not having good bass. I had the same impressions on an inadequate amp for it. If you look at the impedance graph it seems to need > 600 ohms in the bass region. If the amp cannot provide that, HD800 won't have bass. Even the treble is ok on a good setup, and the bass could be great.

When i had LCD2 and heard LCD3 for the first time I tended to like the LCD2 but in time I realized that LCD3 are over LCD2 on almost every aspect, especially soundstage, details, transients.
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