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post #7906 of 9887
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

Agreed. I was just thinking of the same and would obviously love to hear the ECs. That said the Taboo is very transparent and I can easily have the Taboo sound SS-like or tubey. The fine tuning posibilities are only limited by one's tube selection. The driver tube being 6DJ8/6922 that alone offers an world of posibilities.  So when you hear one, it may simply be someone else's preference and choice. The stock selection of tubes is fine middle ground and it's clear that Steve (Decware) has put thought into it. While they are very decent and I could be very happy with them, that's not what I am using for the LCD-3s, just because there's good and there's better. 

The LCD-3s and HD800s for example sound so different from each other you basically have two choices:
- find middle ground and sit pretty
- use tubes aimed towards improved synergy with either of the headphones

+1 for LCD's on Taboo Mk III. I've got mine setup in a way that is amazingly natural sounding with my LCD-3's.
post #7907 of 9887
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Originally Posted by OPR8R View Post


+1 for LCD's on Taboo Mk III. I've got mine setup in a way that is amazingly natural sounding with my LCD-3's.

I've been eyeing the Taboo MkIII and the GS-X Mk2 as possible amp upgrades for my LCD-3. (not anytime too soon - but still researching) Would you mind sharing the details of how you have your Taboo setup that works so well with the LCD-3? ..Or anyone else using Taboo MK III w/ LCD-3's. Thanks

post #7908 of 9887
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Originally Posted by thegrobe View Post

I've been eyeing the Taboo MkIII and the GS-X Mk2 as possible amp upgrades for my LCD-3. (not anytime too soon - but still researching) Would you mind sharing the details of how you have your Taboo setup that works so well with the LCD-3? ..Or anyone else using Taboo MK III w/ LCD-3's. Thanks

 

To be honest it works really great with the stock tubes right away. But, what I am using at the moment:

Amperex 6922 (several of them are very good: resolute, dynamic, airy and neutral), USAF 596 rectifier (very detailed and great dynamics, close to neutral and great soundstage), neutral DAC (Burson Conductor). I am really pleased with the stock output tubes (great speed and transparency) and have not found better for the LCD-3s at the moment. I do have better output tubes with the HD800s though (Amperex EL84).


Edited by negura - 7/22/13 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by thegrobe View Post

I've been eyeing the Taboo MkIII and the GS-X Mk2 as possible amp upgrades for my LCD-3. (not anytime too soon - but still researching) Would you mind sharing the details of how you have your Taboo setup that works so well with the LCD-3? ..Or anyone else using Taboo MK III w/ LCD-3's. Thanks


Honestly, the tubes are just fine tuning.  It's just a good amp, as I understand is the GS-X Mk2.

 

So far though, my favorite combination is the Philips 5R4GYS (rectifier), 2x Philips EL84 (output), Amperex Orange Globe (signal).  To me, this has yielded small improvements across the entire spectrum.  I've also paired the Taboo with the Wyred4Sound DAC-2.

 

Keep in mind, when you decide to buy (either Decware or HeadAmp), you'll have about a 2 or 3 month wait.

 

Where in CA are you?  There's a meet near SF coming up in a couple of weeks.  I'm taking my Taboo.

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Taboo owners. Do you like the lucid mode? What improvement does it bring to the sound, exactly?
post #7911 of 9887
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

Taboo owners. Do you like the lucid mode? What improvement does it bring to the sound, exactly?

 

The new lucid mode is quite crazy. It's like a microscope into the recording. Crap mastered records will sound awful, it tells you that very brutally. You can actually tell what kind of mastering effects were used and exagerated with (reverbs, echos & stuff like that). Really good records you will tell immediately as they sound good. However the new lucid mode brings about a dramatic change: It expands the soundstage massively and changes the positioning of instruments within the soundstage. It's like a selective magnifying glass and it would bring instruments upfront in a much more detailed way. It's quite fun sometimes.

 

I don't use it much, but it's a fun tool/experiment. A very different way to hear well known songs. It sounds very good with classic rock for example.


Edited by negura - 7/22/13 at 4:40pm
post #7912 of 9887
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

Taboo owners. Do you like the lucid mode? What improvement does it bring to the sound, exactly?

I don't use the New Lucid Mode.  It can be fun sometimes because it creates an extreme soundstage, but I'm always trying to get to the most natural sound I can, and the New Lucid mode ain't it.  The old mode is necessary unless you have a balanced cable.

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Amazing.  In another thread an owner called lucid... mono mode /facepalm

 

 More inclined to believe it behaves like crossfeed than mono mode.

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Amazing.  In another thread an owner called lucid... mono mode /facepalm

 

 More inclined to believe it behaves like crossfeed than mono mode.

Your inclination is correct.

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Amazing.  In another thread an owner called lucid... mono mode /facepalm

 

 More inclined to believe it behaves like crossfeed than mono mode.

 

There are 2 modes with the MK3. New Lucid Mode and Old Lucid Mode.

 

New is as described by myself and OPR8R, Old is crossfeed I believe. The wild card here is that if you use single ended output it's necessary to use the Old Lucid mode, as the Taboo is natively a balanced output design for headphones.

 

From the Decware website:

O R I G I N A L   L U C I D   M O D E

The effects of lucid mode change with impedance so when heard on 50 ohm headphones the imaging gets much tighter with a strong center image out in front of the listener rather than inside his or her head.  This is a very pleasant way to listen when you're in a non-invasive mood.  

http://www.decware.com/newsite/TABOO.htm


Edited by negura - 7/22/13 at 4:35pm
post #7916 of 9887

This sums it up for the original lucid mode.

 

"Original Lucid Mode is a form of cross-feed designed to give a more natural soundstage through headphones."


Edited by OPR8R - 7/22/13 at 4:33pm
post #7917 of 9887
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

Maybe for acoustic or simple instrumental music, but that's about it. They'll love the transparency and blackground for sure, I know I do. Although vocals and mids are lacking and unengaging. Also, it's quite bass light. People say the LCD-3 is the king of bass. With O2, forget about that completely. Quite bass light. Bottom line, it's quite unengaging for music. Maybe for movies....?

 

I'd love to hear more about this.  I thought the Objective gear was meant to be completely and utterly neutral, colorless.  So essentially you're saying the LCD-3's are bass light and have unengaging mids and vocals unless on an amp that adds coloration to those specific areas?  

post #7918 of 9887
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Originally Posted by Meremoth View Post

 

I'd love to hear more about this.  I thought the Objective gear was meant to be completely and utterly neutral, colorless.  So essentially you're saying the LCD-3's are bass light and have unengaging mids and vocals unless on an amp that adds coloration to those specific areas?  

I'm not sure if it's the matching, power output or sound signature, but the O2 to me was quite dull with the LCD-3s. I like Shure SE215 and Denon AH-D2000 with O2 though. HE-500 is okay/good depending on material. Atlhough HE-500 sounds good with most amps, even my E10. The LCD-2 and LCD-3 didn't sound good to me with Fiio E10, E11, and O2. Only with the Emotiva did I like either LCD-2 or LCD-3.

 

EDIT: Here's one of my older posts post #5284


Edited by Zoom25 - 7/22/13 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

I'm not sure if it's the matching, power output or sound signature, but the O2 to me was quite dull with the LCD-3s. I like Shure SE215 and Denon AH-D2000 with O2 though. HE-500 is okay/good depending on material. Atlhough HE-500 sounds good with most amps, even my E10. The LCD-2 and LCD-3 didn't sound good to me with Fiio E10, E11, and O2. Only with the Emotiva did I like either LCD-2 or LCD-3.

 

EDIT: Here's one of my older posts post #5284

 

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what's the technical difference between the Emotiva vs. O2, or any amp (mjolnir, gs-x, taboo, liquid fire, etc.) vs. the O2, that makes one pairing better or worse with the LCD's.  It seems to me that the O2 has plenty of power and it's completely neutral/transparent, so is it that these others amps are adding color that makes the LCD's sound better, or is there a technical parameter that makes them superior that I'm missing, and if so, what are those measurements?  This question is really to anyone.  Thanks.

post #7920 of 9887
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Originally Posted by Meremoth View Post

 

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what's the technical difference between the Emotiva vs. O2, or any amp (mjolnir, gs-x, taboo, liquid fire, etc.) vs. the O2, that makes one pairing better or worse with the LCD's.  It seems to me that the O2 has plenty of power and it's completely neutral/transparent, so is it that these others amps are adding color that makes the LCD's sound better, or is there a technical parameter that makes them superior that I'm missing, and if so, what are those measurements?  This question is really to anyone.  Thanks.

 

Yeah I understand your point. To be honest I'm not sure. Maybe some engineers want to chip in. People typically say "better components" or "more musical components"...like what does that even mean in terms of measurable parameters. Others might say that there is an expectation bias and in a blind test, you won't be able to tell it apart. I will agree that there might at times be some expectation bias, but the difference in sound is quite drastic and I'm sure conducting a psychometric curve with matched parameters will yield a high rate of hits.

 

I'd expect other amps to not all be flat or like the O2, but I doubt that they would all be bass oriented by such a margin, that reflects my experience.

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