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post #7726 of 9613
I've been happy with my Taboo Mk3 in combination with my W4S DAC-2 and LCD-3's. But I can't help but be curious about the GS-X Mk2. Anyone heard both?
post #7727 of 9613

LCD3 fixed all the issues I had with the 2.2s. I think the 3s have about as much bass slam as did the 2.2s IMHO. I think for now these cans will do just fine until I can afford to move into the Stax 009s and associated equipment. I would love to try a Headamp GSX MkII with W4S and also the new Schiit statement stack when it arrives also but really the M/G is working well for me now.

post #7728 of 9613
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post

LCD3 fixed all the issues I had with the 2.2s. I think the 3s have about as much bass slam as did the 2.2s IMHO. I think for now these cans will do just fine until I can afford to move into the Stax 009s and associated equipment. I would love to try a Headamp GSX MkII with W4S and also the new Schiit statement stack when it arrives also but really the M/G is working well for me now.

 

+1 

I have found the LCD-3 bass similar in quantity to the LCD-2s and better in quality. That said, the LCD-3s are more detailed and engaging accross the whole spectrum that the spotlight isn't necessarily on the bass all the time. And that's a good thing imho.


Edited by negura - 7/5/13 at 2:04pm
post #7729 of 9613
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

I can say the LCD-3s fixed everything I didn't like about the LCD-2.2.  However, IMO they're still not overtaking the HE-6, HD800.  For me is a constant battle between the LCD-3 and the T1s.  Right now the LCD-3s are leading... I'm just not a fan of heavy bass or bass heavy headphones.  

 

The Audeze headphones are not bass heavy. Strong, deep bass but very flat and as controlled as possibly can be. If they sound that way then it's something else in your audio chain screwing things up..

post #7730 of 9613
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post

 

The Audeze headphones are not bass heavy. Strong, deep bass but very flat and as controlled as possibly can be. If they sound that way then it's something else in your audio chain screwing things up..

 

HUH?  my audio chain is as close to neutral as most.  No my audio chain it's the headphones.  I've had the LCD-2.2s and the LCD-3.  Yes they are Bass heavy "to me"..  The HE-6, HD800 and the T1s are more to my liking in the bass area.  When I want to hear some exaggerated bass I pull out the LCD-3s..

post #7731 of 9613

It really comes down to musical preference.  No one can argue that the Audeze cans aren't flat from sub bass to mid range.  Upper mids and beyond they do shelf down some.  But then nearly everything turns down in around 1-2KHz so they are hardly alone.  Where they are different is in not having peaks, narrow or wide, beyond that point.  Which in turn makes it sound like the bass is overwhelming to some.  I'm not among those some ;)

post #7732 of 9613

For example here is the scope of a song I have on my review list.  This song should not sound neutral because it isn't.  It should have overblown bass and on the LCD-3 it does, on the HD800... damn near neutral :O

 

post #7733 of 9613

So what your saying is... The HD800 "does not" produce the required amount of bass when called for?

post #7734 of 9613

I initially thought the Audeze phones to be excessively bass heavy and even the 3s that I recently got are very strong on bass response. BUT when I play music that does not have a huge amount of deep bass the mids and treble are there in proportion and quite nicely done I might add. And when I do listen to music that has a lot of bass they will pump it out tight and clean and I think that is the "house" Audeze signature. And face it there is a huge majority of todays music that does rely on heavy bass and so if listening to that on Audeze cans you are going to hear a lot of bass because that is what is there. An overwhelming bass line seems to be so prevalent in most of todays music for some reason. I am not a "bass-head" but when the musical composition has it in there I want to hear it and not to the extent that it just overpowers everything else. The new 3s seem to do that well which I personally thought was a weakness of the 2.2s. Plus the detail rendering is much better (but hoping to hear some improvement in detail with new SW cable) and detail is another subtlety that tends to get written over with really prevalent bass lines especially in a phone that does tend to have a dark signature anyway. Lastly is the stage and instrumental placement. An excessively heavy bass (especially if it tends to muddiness in lower mids into sub bass regions) will really degrade the whole soundstage presence. This is another area where I think the LCD3 has made serious improvements over the 2.2 and again that is just my opinion. BUT the bass is still there when called upon (witness Evanescence "My Heart Is Broken") as that just really is a defining piece due to tasteful impactful bass rendering and transition thru mids and Amy Lee's kick-a** vocals... So the ability to do bass slam while maintaining clarity of presentation is really important as long as response all the way along the curve is not compromised. I do not consider the bass presentation on the LCD3s to be overwhelming at all...   

post #7735 of 9613

On that song my notes say the HD800 was vocals dominant where the LCD-3 while still keeping the vocals above the other aspects of the mix also had a dominant bass drum/guitar line.

post #7736 of 9613

I am currently finding the LCD-3 as a maxed out D2000.

post #7737 of 9613
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post


I can say the LCD-3s fixed everything I didn't like about the LCD-2.2.  However, IMO they're still not overtaking the HE-6, HD800.  For me is a constant battle between the LCD-3 and the T1s.  Right now the LCD-3s are leading... I'm just not a fan of heavy bass or bass heavy headphones.  

Seems you and I prefer a similar sound signature and bass is not foremost in what we look for. I cannot say, however, that I find the LCD's dark or bass dominant. They're quite effective at keeping lower registers separate from the rest of the spectrum, but the lack of air and heavy weight of body keeps them from "coming alive" so to speak. I cannot really find their speed and ultimately feel they're unexciting compared with the others. They're merely pleasant and some might say refined in an creamy, flat, tranquil way, but they're missing that luster and zest that pulls a listener into the music. The upper mids I believe play an important role here and the LCD's are just predictably deflated (or planar) here.

I'll likely pass on the LCD 3's and admit that I like a brighter, airier sound, which should be enough of a justification for an SR009. I'll keep the LCD's for some singer-songwriter type music (see Feist or Nick Drake) where I feel they're well suited.
post #7738 of 9613

Don't forget the Abyss! biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by ericfarrell85 View Post

I'll likely pass on the LCD 3's and admit that I like a brighter, airier sound, which should be enough of a justification for an SR009.
post #7739 of 9613

Already forgotten :P

post #7740 of 9613
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

HUH?  my audio chain is as close to neutral as most.  No my audio chain it's the headphones.  I've had the LCD-2.2s and the LCD-3.  Yes they are Bass heavy "to me"..  The HE-6, HD800 and the T1s are more to my liking in the bass area.  When I want to hear some exaggerated bass I pull out the LCD-3s..

 

Well taste is king, but the LCD-2 and 3 measure completely flat from bass to mids, with excellent measured bass performance as well. The HD 800 and T1 are not as good in the bass. 

The Denon headphones (old and new) have what I'd like to call exaggerated bass, bass that provides more quantity than the recording exhibits. 


Edited by Lan647 - 7/6/13 at 1:49pm
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