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post #7336 of 9445
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Not like you need an amazing amp for LCDs anyway. They don't really benefit from high end amps.

First time I've read this. basshead.gif

post #7337 of 9445
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Not like you need an amazing amp for LCDs anyway. They don't really benefit from high end amps.

The LCD-2s sound great from most gear...but the LCD-3s are quite a bit tougher to get "right". The HD800s are likely the toughest dynamic headphones to match with an amp. Likely due to the nature of dynamic vs orthos:

 

 

post #7338 of 9445
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Not like you need an amazing amp for LCDs anyway. They don't really benefit from high end amps.

 

 

Maybe for the LCD-2..  But the LCD-3 are a tad bit different.  

post #7339 of 9445
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Originally Posted by Meremoth View Post

 

 

This concerns me because I'm about to buy the LCD-3's with the same assumption that the bass is better.  One of the main reasons I'm getting the LCD-3 is because I want open-can headphones that have really good bass.

 

Keep us updated.  Still looking forward to hearing what you have to say once you get your new equipment.  

 

So, having burned in my Little Dot MK VI+ on stock tubes, and Yulong D18 to pair with, I hear quite a difference between the Soloist/Dacport LX (which sounded great on the LCD2s). Just goes on to show that you need better upstream gear with the LCD-3s. The sound is more cohesive now, a bigger soundstage, smoother highs and finally, the bass has improved a lot. While earlier, it lacked a lot of slam as compared to the LCD 2s, now the slam is only a little behind with all the extension of the 2s.

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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post

 

How many comments have you read? Widespread or concensus doesn't mean much here. To me the bass was pretty much the same, LCD-2's maybe have slightly more mid punch and that's what I even remember from comments that I've read. Main reason for upgrading to LCD-3's is the better soundstage/airyness etc.

 

The soundstage was the main reason why I upgraded to the LCD 3s in the first place. There are a numerous threads comparing the two headphones, and the more prevalent opinion here is that the bass is better in terms of resolution and presence is about the same in the 3s, so I went with them. I'm not going to sift through hundreds of pages on the forum, just to provide you with a head count of "How many comments have (I) read". If you think that consensus/public opinion doesn't mean much, why be on a public forum in the first place? Even with the help of educated opinions, it has taken me a while to tailor my system together. Trial an error on all gear can only get you so far.
 

As for the more mid-punch on the 2s, I sincerely doubt that. The graphs are very similar on the 2s and the 3s for the bass region and they are both very flat. Granted that you can't tell all from the graphs, but the LCD-2s do not have a mid-bass hump.

post #7340 of 9445
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Not like you need an amazing amp for LCDs anyway. They don't really benefit from high end amps.

 

Of course not. You cannot get any better than ODAC + O2 anywhay.  biggrin.gif

 

As I said, you don't believe me... your loss!   biggrin.gif 

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Originally Posted by varyV View Post

While earlier, it lacked a lot of slam as compared to the LCD 2s, now the slam is only a little behind with all the extension of the 2s.

 

 

Could "slam" be the added distortion and/or softer attacks for LCD-2? You don't see this in the frequency charts.

Maybe I should dig up my old LCD-2r2 and try them with HPA-21. The bass with HPA-21 + LCD-3 is nothing but amazing!

post #7342 of 9445
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Originally Posted by CanDude View Post

 

Could "slam" be the added distortion and/or softer attacks for LCD-2? You don't see this in the frequency charts.

Maybe I should dig up my old LCD-2r2 and try them with HPA-21. The bass with HPA-21 + LCD-3 is nothing but amazing!

 

The way I hear it/understand the term is in the form of the impact when the bass hits on the track. I'm not saying the bass on a properly driven pair of LCD-3s is anything less than exceptional, but the visceral impact is more on the 2s.

post #7343 of 9445
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post


Maybe for the LCD-2..  But the LCD-3 are a tad bit different.  

Both 2s and 3s sound almost their best with minimal gear. There's not much headroom.
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Originally Posted by CanDude View Post

Of course not. You cannot get any better than ODAC + O2 anywhay.  biggrin.gif

As I said, you don't believe me... your loss!   biggrin.gif  
You obviously don't know me or didn't bother to look at my signature. I have never owned an Objective product and never will.
Edited by Maxvla - 5/22/13 at 3:57am
post #7344 of 9445
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Maybe for the LCD-2..  But the LCD-3 are a tad bit different.  

 

 

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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


Both 2s and 3s sound almost their best with minimal gear. There's not much headroom.

 

We almost said the same thing - I think..wink_face.gif

 

I've owned both at the same time for a while.  I've found the 3s does have "a tad bit more" room to scale or more headroom as you call it..  While the 2s don't have much at all.  I don't know what kind of gear you would call the Mjolnir, but that amp IMO made both sound their best.  With the "LCDs" I would rate the Mjolnir a level above the any amp I've heard thus far.  

 

Now my question is:  Will the Statement amp be nothing more than a feature packed Mjolnir with more pwoer?  IMO the more pwer part is not much needed.


Edited by preproman - 5/22/13 at 4:23am
post #7345 of 9445
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

You obviously don't know me or didn't bother to look at my signature. I have never owned an Objective product and never will.

 

It was intended as a generic joke I've seen others in this forum make. Meaning nothing is much better than let's say an ODAC + O2. That could of course be true for some people. YMMV.

post #7346 of 9445

Hi,

 

Can you give any further advice as to how to determine is my LCD3 is veiled or not??! (description): I listen to jazz and classical only, currently on BUDA balanced amp which ought to be quite good enough for LCD3. It is less clear than HE-6 for sure (not badly but notably), less lively (more mellow), more recessed in presentation... HE-6 is drier but for classical way ahead of LCD3.

 

My FR drops slightly at 800 mark, then drops more steeply at 1.5k. But break in is still under 10 hours...

 

I don't notice any major problems...

 

Thanks

N


Edited by Nishy - 5/27/13 at 7:13am
post #7347 of 9445
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Originally Posted by Nishy View Post

Hi,

 

Can you give any further advice as to how to determine is my LCD3 is veiled or not??! (description): I listen to jazz and classical only, currently on BUDA balanced amp which ought to be quite good enough for LCD3. It is less clear than HE-6 for sure (not badly but notably), less lively (more mellow), more recessed in presentation... HE-6 is drier but for classical way ahead of LCD3.

 

My FR drops slightly at 800 mark, then drops more steeply at 1.5k. But break in is still under 10 hours...

 

I don't notice any major problems...

 

Thanks

N

Few things...if you pair has been bought after April of last year (2012), you're good to to. Secondly, what amp/dac/source are you driving?

post #7348 of 9445

Thanks CanDude, I think it is caused by the weight concentrating on a small area of the top two cushions for me. I'll be a little more aggressive with my squeezing of the headband as you described. I had tried this before, but not so hard and was just trying to increase clamp a little, not alter the shape of the headband. Nice setup btw

 

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Originally Posted by CanDude View Post

 

I also had this problem with both my LCD-2 and LCD-3 when they were new. Since I have a big head I got even more pressure on the top of the head as all the weight was concentrated on the middle two cushions. You need to get all of the headband's cushions to align with your head when you're wearing them. Hence you need to make the headband more V-shaped (or ^ as you wear them). Put the index finger between the middle cushions and squeeze the ends of the headband together with the thumb + index and middle finger of your other hand until the ends are 7 to 8 cm apart, hold for 10 seconds or so (I use to "pump" a little bit), repeat a couple of times. Do this every time before you're about to use them and after a while you'll notice that the headband is more V-shaped and fits your head better. I don't mind if the pressure of the ear cups increases somewhat since this makes the cans stay better on your head. If you don't want this you can also try to straighten each side of the "V". The metal in the headband won't snap. The headband may look a little bit funny while not on your head, but the cans will be much more comfortable to wear.

 

You can see my "V-shaped" headband on the CanCans stand in this picture:

 

 

(you also see the best amp for LCD-2/3 according to me, Alex and others...)

post #7349 of 9445

Thanks K_19. Im going to try CanDudes idea for a while and see if I can make that work first before trying to replace the headband, but that certainly remains an option.

 

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Originally Posted by K_19 View Post

The foam headband, if you can still acquire it, is definitely much more comfortable than the leather headband IMO. Audeze don't make them anymore as far as I know, but they should definitely continue making them as an option IMO.

post #7350 of 9445

Folks - how do we all feel about the LCD-3s burn-in? Was it noticeable to you and around how many hours are any improvements to be expected?

 

I don't have an objective way to assess this and I should give time for the impressions to settle, but I feel my LCD-3s have gotten better in a few areas recently. This is with several hundred hours on them (maybe 200-300).


Edited by negura - 5/29/13 at 4:27pm
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