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post #7036 of 9536
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Originally Posted by Room40 View Post

You more than likely had a veiled pair then

 

Yes probably.

post #7037 of 9536

As an update to my quandary from a couple weeks ago, where in a fit of insanity I was going to sell everything I have and get the lcd-3 and soloist...I kept calm and decided to take it slow. Instead of doing something crazy and buying very expensive stuff completely blind, I was able to acquire a loaner pair of lcd-3 for a few weeks. This is with my home setup of squeezbox touch>bifrost>lyr mind you, I do not have the soloist with me. I felt this was a good opportunity to listen to the phones on my gear that I have now as a benchmark, just to see if they are really thaaat much better to where I'd want to sell it all and get the burson. I've had them for 3 days now and I feel it time to give some impressions and comments.....

 

The first time I put them on my head, I knew the comfort could potentially be an issue. I have the HE-5 which is in the large woody ortho category of things, but the lcd-3's fit is pretty weird to say the least. Those pads are like a vacuum seal to your ears. Once they're on, the pressure keeps building up minute by minute and you can really notice that the music is getting louder and louder as time goes by. I had to adjust the volume at one point on a second listen to the same song. Also, the sitting of the front part of the pad near your temples is a very bad pressure point. With my SA5000s after 10 minutes of listening its as if nothing is even on your head. With the audeze's, I knew they were on my head the whole time and it didn't feel great.

 

Sound wise, I've had an interesting couple days listening. I decided my first song would be one of my all-time favorites 'The Predatory Wasp of the Pallisades Is Out To Get Us' by Sufjan Stevens. You could say this is my reference song because if you've ever heard it before, you'll know that there's a whole lot of music going on. Well, it was...uninspiring. I didn't get it. It sounded great, but I really couldnt tell much of a difference between the lcd-3 and HE-5. It sounded pretty much the same. I was definitely bummed out but I remember hearing over and over on these boards that they don't hit you right away. After a while with the right recordings it will just click. While going through my music, I finally realized what all the fuss was about. VOCALS. 'Ana Begins' by Counting Crows was unreal. The vocals are incredibly lifelike, anything else compared to it now sounds grainy to me. I'm definitely blown away by the midrange.

   

Bass is another killer feature of these lcd-3's. With all the audeze king of bass raving going on, I didn't really know what to expect. They definitely aren't as impactful as I thought. But the bass is incredibly detailed and deep. You really could get lost in the bass tones. In terms of soundstage I'm conflicted. Some music sounds more spacious to me, some sounds the same. I absolutely see what everyone means by the lcd-3 is ruthless to the recording. There is no glossing over on the babies, if its on the record, its in your ear canal. Sibilance and all. And I HATE sibilance.

 

So all in all, I'm still torn as to whether or not I want to pony up the cash for the lcd-3/soloist pair. From any of your experiences, do you think this would give me more impact, larger stage, and better fit on my head {kidding}?

post #7038 of 9536

For fit, go to the LCD-2.  For more impact... LCD-2.  I'll grant the LCD-3 the staging advantage but my new LCD-2 is very close.

 

If you prefer the LCD-3 to the HE-500 and don't want the LCD-2 just order your LCD-3 with vegan leather free pads.  They are the LCD-2 pads in fake suede so the front of the pad won't dig.  Another reason I came back to the LCD-2.

 

I never heard the Lyr but the consensus seems to be it plays nice with the LCD-2 but not the LCD-3.  So if you liked it with a bad combo... Soloist+LCD-3 could be good for you.

post #7039 of 9536
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

For fit, go to the LCD-2.  For more impact... LCD-2.  I'll grant the LCD-3 the staging advantage but my new LCD-2 is very close.

 

If you prefer the LCD-3 to the HE-500 and don't want the LCD-2 just order your LCD-3 with vegan leather free pads.  They are the LCD-2 pads in fake suede so the front of the pad won't dig.  Another reason I came back to the LCD-2.

 

I never heard the Lyr but the consensus seems to be it plays nice with the LCD-2 but not the LCD-3.  So if you liked it with a bad combo... Soloist+LCD-3 could be good for you.

For fit...I'd go LCD-3 by a good margin for my head (and based on most people's comments too). But fit is something that is very personal too. For control and detail...and imaging...LCD-3s. For impact, LCD-2s (but they are a bit much for me to be considered "neutral").

 

They Lyr is great with the LCD-2.2....but not so much with the LCD-3s IME.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 1/30/13 at 8:30pm
post #7040 of 9536

Solude, have you tried out the vegan pads? I only ask because IME, the LCD-3 pads are much more comfortable in terms of that

clamping force.

 

I would say if you can't tolerate the LCD-3 pads, then you may have to pass on them altogether.

 

I also agree with MH, the Lyr is not a good match with the LCD-3 and the Soloist is a very noticeable step up from Lyr.

the flip side to this, I find the Soloist and LCD-2 a better pairing than Soloist LCD-3. However this is in direct comparison

to the Mjolnir as my reference. There's just more energy and dynamics that make the LCD-3 lively,

comparatively the Soloist is a bit more (or too) mellow for really optimizing the LCD-3.

 

And the flip side to that, you could find a more aggressive amp to be too harsh and fatiguing.

 

Just a bit more to consider in your decision. And of course, YMMV.

post #7041 of 9536
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So all in all, I'm still torn as to whether or not I want to pony up the cash for the lcd-3/soloist pair. From any of your experiences, do you think this would give me more impact, larger stage, and better fit on my head {kidding}?

Ive got the Burson HA160 and the DA160 Dac and the LCD3s (well my replacement pair are enroute) and the Burson combo is good but it doesnt knock my socks off. I actually prefer my RX3b/CLAS -dB out of my Mac.. yeah go figure - maybe Im sheltered?? Not sure with the Soloist though. The LCD3s dont tick every box and I agree on the weight/fit and for me quality  however I dont know any headphone that ticks all my boxes. I suppose you really have to ask yourself when the "new toy" euphoria wears off what will keep you coming back to the LCD3s or keep you away. For me its the sound with Jazz and Rock and the bass but also that sparkle treble that is why I love these babies. However for perspective I come from a HD800, K701, AKG 550 background so that should give you some idea as those cans are not bass strong so it could be Im easilly impressed. Im thinking these and some 009s and a travel set of cans and I will have covered my listening needs and will be sorted for a while.

post #7042 of 9536

This photo explains the the pressure some of us get on the front...

 

 

That might as well be wood to the temple and jaw.

post #7043 of 9536
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

 

   

Bass is another killer feature of these lcd-3's. With all the audeze king of bass raving going on, I didn't really know what to expect. They definitely aren't as impactful as I thought. But the bass is incredibly detailed and deep. You really could get lost in the bass tones.

The bass on the LCD-3 is clear and defined. The graphs show it is not really pronounced. Headphones like the Denon D7000 are the kind that really are known for providing strong deep bass...not the Audeze's. What you get with the Audeze is precision. What you get with the Denon is pure fun, and there is nothing wrong with that. But what you gave as your review is spot-on.

post #7044 of 9536
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Originally Posted by Room40 View Post

Ive got the Burson HA160 and the DA160 Dac and the LCD3s (well my replacement pair are enroute) and the Burson combo is good but it doesnt knock my socks off. I actually prefer my RX3b/CLAS -dB out of my Mac.. yeah go figure - maybe Im sheltered?? Not sure with the Soloist though.

There is a massive jump in quality as well as power delivery with the Soloist vs an HA160. The Soloist really is on a different level so I would not base any predictions on hearing the HA160.

post #7045 of 9536

Very true, the Soloist is miles ahead of where the HA-160 is.

post #7046 of 9536

I do adjust the band about once a 1/2 hour, making sure they sit optimally for the best sound. I do not feel any pressure/clamping at all. The pads are very cushy and I like that they isolate outside sound.

 

I seem to adjust the sound for every 2 out of 3 songs but its because of the recording I believe nothing to do with the LCD3s. I wish it weren't so but I do not know how to equalize the volume to be the same.

post #7047 of 9536
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

This photo explains the the pressure some of us get on the front...

 

 

That might as well be wood to the temple and jaw.

That just looks painful. Need to stretch that headband more ph34r.gif

post #7048 of 9536
I've had an issue with my LCD3 a while now, where the left can would cut out whenever i adjust the headphones on my head, once i release it, it plays fine.
This is after my 2nd rma. The first rma the right can stopped playing outright, the second rma was because i heard an imbalance in the volume between the left and right can, sure enouhg audeze's engineers confirmed this imbalance and replaced the earpads and drivers. When this latest issue cropped up about the cutting out left can i was reluctant to return the product again, because i had to pay return shipping on my 2nd rma unit. I currently live outside the US so this is not cheap.

After reading on the forums about the different serial numbers 231 vs 261 i decided to check, and found that i have a 231 model headphones. I decided to contact audeze impressing on the fact that reshipping my headphones every time is begging to add up in the cost, so they offered to RMA the product and pay for the roundtrip of shipping. Audeze did take a couple weeks to get back to me, but that was understandable given the Christmas rush im sure they experienced.
I sent out my phones last monday, and according to my fedex tracking, i should be receiving the new ones today.

The serial number on the model sent is a 261 model.
So im anxiously waiting to listen to these phones again. With all the issues i was tempted to buy a fostex, as i've owned denon cans before and they never had issues, and im reading all over the place that the fostex is as good if not better than the lcd3. But having invested heavily on a fully balanced setup for my lcd3 i decided to give it another shot.
The headphones do sound astonishing, but having them malfunction every so often is quite frustrating.

I'm hoping this new pair has none of these issues, and lasts as long as a 2000$ headphone should!

I'll post some feedback when i get them in my hands and do some testing.
post #7049 of 9536

I hear replacing the sticker of the s/n totally fixes it ;)  231 to 261 is just the unveil mod which changes the dampening material to foam.  Your last pair would have already gotten the new foam. In fact my LCD-3 came back from the unveiling with a driver imbalance so... fingers crossed.

post #7050 of 9536
Geeze! Well im going to pick it up in 1 hr, so ill see. Wish me luck on my new pair!
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