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Originally Posted by jonstatt View Post

That's a bad thing in a way though right? Because that implies that your LCD-3s degraded over time.....

I agree... I find it unsettling that you really have no way of knowing if your pair is falling out of spec, at least until it gets so bad that it's obvious. I know you could say 'as long as you're enjoying wha you're hearing, who cares,' but I'd rather not have to even think about the possibility of degradation over time. Hopefully this was an isolated issue. I've asked Audeze for clarifications to what may have caused the failure, but I'm still waiting for a response.
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The ECBA is 1,5 Watt at 32 ohm, so it shouldn't be all about wattage.. 

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Oh wow. What is it about the LCD-3 as a whole on Mojo are you preferring to the ECBA?

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Not having heard a ECBA I would say that the Mjolnir drives the LCD-3 with complete effortlessness, superb clarity and huge dynamics.  The caveat is that if your DAC is anything remotely bright or harsh... look elsewhere.

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Not having heard a ECBA I would say that the Mjolnir drives the LCD-3 with complete effortlessness, superb clarity and huge dynamics.  The caveat is that if your DAC is anything remotely bright or harsh... look elsewhere.

Even with the LCD3?
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The ECBA is 1,5 Watt at 32 ohm, so it shouldn't be all about wattage.. 

I don't think it's about power at all. I got to hear a Super 7 and was very impressed. The ECBA has been on the top of my list

but out of budget for quite a while now. I'm just interested why he prefers the Mojo over ECBA. Details, details, details!

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Even with the LCD3?

Yes.  Its why the Peak is still here and the Mjolnir moved on.  My W4S DAC-2 and the Mjolnir didn't play nice together.  The PWD2 and Octave likely would have been fine.

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The Gungnir paired with the Mjolnir on the other hand makes the LCD-3 a(n) (even more) fantastic headphone. 

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The joke is that with the PWD2 I could get the Mjolnir back but the new GS-X is as powerful and has the added bonus of a three way gain switch, pre defeat and the option for single ended.  But it is 3x the price :D

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Not having heard a ECBA I would say that the Mjolnir drives the LCD-3 with complete effortlessness, superb clarity and huge dynamics.  The caveat is that if your DAC is anything remotely bright or harsh... look elsewhere.

 

Not sure if you're referring to a particular setup or in general, but I don't think I'd want to listen to the LCD-3 with a DAC that has any harshness or brightness. Which would entail getting a pretty nice DAC to listen to with the LCD-3.

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Yep its the problem with the LCD-3, the LCD-2 is very forgiving.  Its almost impossible to put together a bad LCD-2 rig.  The LCD-3 is not forgiving, dropped treble presence doesn't help when its still highly resolved.

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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

I don't think it's about power at all. I got to hear a Super 7 and was very impressed. The ECBA has been on the top of my list

but out of budget for quite a while now. I'm just interested why he prefers the Mojo over ECBA. Details, details, details!

 

On the BA with the LCD3, it's not about power. There's plenty of it. With the tubes I was running, I probably would have preferred the LCD3 with the Mjolnir. It was one of the reasons I was looking for a good solid-state amp earlier in the year. (Though it should be noted that I prefer LCD2r2 on the BA). 

 

The LCD3 was a little bit on the sluggish side with the BA running the tubes I had on hand (PX4, PX25, 300B). Don't get me wrong, the BA still beats out a ton of other amps with the LCD3, and I could have rolled tubes to make it work right. But I've become too lazy to futz around with this tube rolling stuff. The fact is, the BA is a little bit soft on the bass compared to the best solid-state amps. Softer than the EC S7 even. I hear this, and I even have distortion measurements in the bass on hand to back this up. The LCD3 just wasn't the best match with the BA in terms of bass control and tone. And since the LCD3 shelves down the treble compared to other TOTL headphones, i.e. HD800, etc. I didn't feel like I would be losing much of the BA's detail and micro-dynamic rendering for what I was getting back (vice like grip of the bass) by going to a good or what I would consider TOTL solid-state amp. (And yes, I do consider the Mjolnir a TOTL sounding solid-state amp despite its price and its flaws.)

 

YMMV. And I do know plenty of other people who love their LCD3s with their BA's - probably with a more optimal tube selection for the LCD3 than I. Last thing I would want is people not considering the BA because they have LCD3s, or people thinking the BA is soft on the bass. It's bass performance still kills 90% of the tube or solid-state amps I've heard (I think only the Super 7 is the only full tube amp with tighter bass.) IMHO, the BA is still the best most versatile headphone amplifier available on the planet right now which always works well with anything you throw at it.

 

It's all moot for me because I've gone in a totally different direction now.


Edited by purrin - 11/3/12 at 7:02pm
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On the BA with the LCD3, it's not about power. There's plenty of it. With the tubes I was running, I probably would have preferred the LCD3 with the Mjolnir. It was one of the reasons I was looking for a good solid-state amp earlier in the year. (Though it should be noted that I prefer LCD2r2 on the BA). 

 

The LCD3 was a little bit on the sluggish side with the BA running the tubes I had on hand (PX4, PX25, 300B). Don't get me wrong, the BA still beats out a ton of other amps with the LCD3, and I could have rolled tubes to make it work right. But I've become too lazy to futz around with this tube rolling stuff. The fact is, the BA is a little bit soft on the bass compared to the best solid-state amps. Softer than the EC S7 even. I hear this, and I even have distortion measurements in the bass on hand to back this up. The LCD3 just wasn't the best match with the BA in terms of bass control and tone. And since the LCD3 shelves down the treble compared to other TOTL headphones, i.e. HD800, etc. I didn't feel like I would be losing much of the BA's detail and micro-dynamic rendering for what I was getting back (vice like grip of the bass) by going to a good or what I would consider TOTL solid-state amp. (And yes, I do consider the Mjolnir a TOTL sounding solid-state amp despite its price and its flaws.)

 

YMMV. And I do know plenty of other people who love their LCD3s with their BA's - probably with a more optimal tube selection for the LCD3 than I. Last thing I would want is people not considering the BA because they have LCD3s, or people thinking the BA is soft on the bass. It's bass performance still kills 90% of the tube or solid-state amps I've heard (I think only the Super 7 is the only full tube amp with tighter bass.) IMHO, the BA is still the best most versatile headphone amplifier available on the planet right now which always works well with anything you throw at it.

 

It's all moot for me because I've gone in a totally different direction now.

Thanks for the insight, Purrin. I'd absolutely consider the S7, but I'm faced with dealing with tubes. Something I'm very much not sure of at this point. It's been a joy to

be hassle free with Mojo. I'm not going to speak on the S7 sound because I didn't have it in house and I also didn't spend much time with it.

I definitely think the LCD-3 sounds the best I've heard off Mojo. However, I'm looking at trying the HD800 again and despite people saying the Mojo is favorable

I'd most likely want/need a tube amp.

 

In your experience can you roll the BA to give off stronger bass than on S7? And considering your experience with both EC amps where does the BA best it sound wise?

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Slight thread derail:

 

The current editions (what's out there) of the S7 are inherently slightly bassy or thick sounding. (Although Anax's S7 has mods which remedy this and also improve it clarity and speed.) I don't think it's possible to roll the BA to give it more bass than the S7. I was running the Osram PX25 tubes which gave the BA not necessarily the most bass, but the most dynamic impact in the bass. But still, the S7 always sounded bassier. It may be possible to get more mid or upper bass on the BA with certain flavors of the 300B tube, but personally I haven't heard any 300B that comes close in overall quality to the KR PX4s that Craig recommends and comes with the majority of the currently produced BAs. (Tangent: If I had to do it again, I would probably have gotten the BA in 2A3/45 configuration. Better tubes than 300B/PX4 for a headphone amp application at less insane prices with better availability. But "300B" just has a certain cachet with it.) On the S7, you can load up all six output tubes with RCA 6NS7 or similarly bassy sounding tubes and get a very bassy sounding amp (probably not a good idea.)

 

What you get with the BA over the S7 is slightly better detail extraction and micro-dynamics, a cleaner sound, and much more speed, depth, spaciousness, and openness. Of course YMMV with output tube choice. Another difference is that the BA has that DHT bloom, which I've heard called "midrange swirly thing", "reverb", etc. and "harmonic richness". The extent of these effects varies depending upon the tube used. The S7 on the other hand, uses all 6SN7s, which have a very neutral or even dry, non-tubey (or more precisely non-bloomy) sound, although there are a handful of exceptions (mostly the exotic wierd-ass now un-obtainable 6SN7s that people like to brag about owning). 

 

Still, I think you may have something there with the Mjolnir and LCD3. The Mjolnir to me is slightly mid-centric, although with deep deep bass, a vice like grip / control of the bass, and impact at the lowest registers only surpassed by the Dynahi. These qualities are exactly what the LCD3 needs to really shine since it is Audeze's bassiest thickest sounding headphone.

 

There is one caveat: my "super" LCD3, my first RMA pair, which lasted less than 24 hours, I would have preferred on the BA. Never heard any dynamic headphone as fast that that one. Although mwilson's pair came very close to it. And even then, it suffered the same fate as GMF2010's pair. It seemed to get more veiled over time. Like in a few days while I had it in my possession.


Edited by purrin - 11/3/12 at 9:56pm
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I've tried quite a few combinations of tubes on the ECBA with the LCD3s but the Mjolnir beats it in every respect.
Greater transparency, better dynamics, tighter bass with a lot better slam. The vocals are more forward. Micro detail retrieval is also a few notches above the ECBA
My source for both is the Esoteric K01 Cables are Kubala Sosna balanced.
IMHO, the HD800s (Anax modded) sound a little bright with the Mjolnir and I much prefer them with the ECBA.
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In my experience the Mjolnir is ideal for LCD3s & HP1000s
The ECBA is ideal for HD800s, PS1000s, RS1s
Neither is ideal for HE6. ECBA slightly better than the Mjolnir. But nowhere close to my 100wpc speaker amp.

Just for the record snd for anyone interested, the Manley Stingray iTube (Mullard 12AT7s) is great with the K1000s (speaker taps) & JVC DX1000s (headphone out)
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