New Audeze LCD3 - Page 205

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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens 

I think I've heard strong enough differences between cables on headphones to pretty easily develop a preference. But I wouldn't call them "headphone changing."

Neither would I. Far from it...

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Originally Posted by Sam73 

I have some Questions:

 

Do you think a frequenzy response graph or any measurement shows you exact all what is to here ?

 

Do CD-players or Amps with  same measurements sound the same?

 

Cables doesnt change anything in frequenzyresponse. Do they sound the same?

No, yes, yes.

But Tyll didn't measure just frequency response. He measured THD+N, decay, and IMD as well. If you know of something else that might make a big enough difference to explain the wild changes people claim even in light of minimal differences in all things measured thus far, I think he'd like to hear about it.

Too much objectivity? I'll stop now.

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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens 

I think I've heard strong enough differences between cables on headphones to pretty easily develop a preference. But I wouldn't call them "headphone changing."

tyll i actualy asked this in the lcd2, 3 after market cable thread but i was wondering if there had been any actual tests with proper equipment to see if frequency response and other related test results change with different cables. I also want to know the difference a really bad cable makes as well as an expensive after market one just so we can see exactly how much different there really is. Also when i say "bad cable" i mean purposely bad like 70% purity copper or something.

Is it possible for you to do some tests!?

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Originally Posted by OPrwtos 

Is it possible for you to do some tests!?

 

Maybe.  I doubt you'll see any measurable differences unless you took real junk and replaced it with something good.  One time, I replaced a Sennheiser HD 201 cable with Cardas cable and they seemed pretty different.  But bottom line: there are way better ways of measuring cables than sticking them on headphones and trying to see the changes through all the clutter of headphone measurement inaccuracies.

I think this is where we get into the problems of objective measurements not having the same metrics as the listening experience. Some topics will be with us forever.

I might give it a go one of these days though. Feel free to bug me occasionally.

Where would he get such a cable? Are you going to send him one?
 

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Originally Posted by OPrwtos 

Also when i say "bad cable" i mean purposely bad like 70% purity copper or something.

And maybe 10 or so ohms of impedance with some extra capacitance thrown is as well...

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Originally Posted by maverickronin 

And maybe 10 or so ohms of impedance with some extra capacitance thrown is as well...

 

haha i had an idea, try stranded aluminium cables.....i want to see the effects.

(pure gold cables, now theres a thought)

(.............anyway if the next post is not on the lcd 3 i can see the admin telling us off)
 

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Originally Posted by OPrwtos 

haha i had an idea, try stranded aluminium cables.....i want to see the effects.

That should actually work just fine if you use a decent gauge.  Aluminum is actually a better conductor than copper as compared to weight instead of volume which is why power lines are made of aluminum since they have to hang in the air and not snap under their own weight or under the influence of high winds.  An aluminum cable would be a little thicker than a copper cable of the same impedance but it wouldn't weigh any more.

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Originally Posted by maverickronin 

That should actually work just fine if you use a decent gauge.  Aluminum is actually a better conductor than copper as compared to weight instead of volume which is why power lines are made of aluminum since they have to hang in the air and not snap under their own weight or under the influence of high winds.  An aluminum cable would be a little thicker than a copper cable of the same impedance but it wouldn't weigh any more.

lets try it then.

With the lcd 3 ....(just throwin it in there)

Hey! We have Radio Shack here in Montana!

I'm currently at 1 week of brain burn-in and my ongoing impressions have slightly changed.

But I'm going to skip the negative nitpicking for a moment and just say that these headphones are pretty dang good. They're definitely more of what I would've preferred from the LCD-2 - even more bass quantity and less of the suffocating closed-in soundstage. That at least has been improved. And overall they're very enjoyable for some of the music genres that I listen to, marginally moreso than the LCD-2. I've been listening to a lot of electronica/trip-hop and metal on them lately. I can't imagine too many people outright disliking the sound of the LCD-3. Very good overall.

Though I'm going to admit that I'm almost definitely not going to keep them now and will likely be looking to sell them before the end of the month. To that end I've started writing notes in preparation for a mini-review, primarily of comparisons to the LCD-2 r2, which I'm also probably going to sell, as I'm finding that neither the LCD-2 or -3 really offer anything special beyond my other headphones.

Edit: Adding a reminder that I don't respond to unsolicited PMs (as this is mentioned in my sig), of any type, for personal reasons. This includes unsolicited offers to buy my headphones or other questions. If anyone has a question about something, ask it on Head-Fi somewhere - either in this thread or another appropriate one.

For the sake of clarification in regards to the discussions on the measurements and disparities between headphones, or lack there of, I generated the following graphs. These are the same results as available on Inner Fidelity website and correspond to 5 position average measurement. It will be good to get more samples measured to verify the trends, especially the 009 where strictly only 2 headphones were measured...

The aluminuim power cables usually have a steel cable in the middle for torsional strength.

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Originally Posted by wink 

 

The aluminuim power cables usually have a steel cable in the middle for torsional strength.

Kind of like the HD25!  

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Originally Posted by arnaud 

For the sake of clarification in regards to the discussions on the measurements and disparities between headphones, or lack there of, I generated the following graphs. These are the same results as available on Inner Fidelity website and correspond to 5 position average measurement. It will be good to get more samples measured to verify the trends, especially the 009 where strictly only 2 headphones were measured...

 

Wow, that's quite the sample variation.  I trust that multiple fitments of the headphones were taken and averaged?