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post #10561 of 10573

Hello you savages.

 

 

I'm interested to hear if anyone has owned a pair of Audeze's since they released their first lcd 2/3's.

 

 

Anybody here owned a pair for 3 plus years?

post #10562 of 10573
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

Well, my pair of LCD3F's developed a left driver failure a little over a year in. :(

 

How long does the replacement process typically take?

So far it's been over a week with 2.5-3+ business day response times to the two messages on my support ticket. Am I better off trying to call in and talk to someone?

EDIT:typo

Wanted to follow up on my own post. After a bunch of back/forth, I was able to get an RMA# about a day after calling Audeze support and my headphones were shipped back to me exactly 1 week after arriving at Audeze HQ. So I definitely recommend that anyone in the same situation try talking to an actual person.

 

Apparently part of the problem was that their order system has changed in the past year or so. I may have complicated matters by mentioning that the sticker with the serial # fell off in the first week of ownership, as it then took a fairly roundabout method of purchase verification through their online ticketing system with several day response times on every message.

 

Changes:

  • I mention this more out of curiosity than anything else, but the earpad leather seems to be different. I bought my LCD-XC and LCD-3 at the exact same time. While I have always felt that both headphones were very comfy on my head, I always thought the leather on the LCD-3 seemed a little bit nicer. The original leather on the LCD-3 had a more pronounced grain and seemed to have a more natural appearance to it. The LCD-XC earpads were smoother and look just like my new LCD-3 earpads except in a different color. I totally understand that natural products like this have a lot of variation, but I am curious if anyone else has noticed a running change in the way these feel and/or are manufactured/supplied.
  • It's been almost a month since I've had my headphones and I haven't spent anywhere near enough time listening to them to definitely make any statements about differences in sonic character, but there were two noticeable differences when eyeballing the FR plots which I won't upload here. Assuming the measurements are accurate and comparable, my repaired LCD-3 should have noticeably worse deep bass extension and likely a more natural treble.
    • My original LCD-3 measured fairly flat from around 40-800Hz with a very slight downward slope. FR @ 30Hz was 2db down from 40Hz, and 20Hz was another 2db down from there. Between 2kHz-4.5kHz and from 5.5kHz-10kHz there are two noticeable dips where FR drops to almost -8db from 3kHz-4kHz and another from ~5kHz-9kHz.
    • My new LCD-3 measures fairly flat from around 45-800Hz with a very slight downward slope. FR @ 30Hz is 7db down from 40Hz, and 20Hz is another 4db down from there. FR between 2kHz and 9kHz seems flatter without a peak at ~5kHz.
post #10563 of 10573
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

  • ... I bought my LCD-XC and LCD-3 at the exact same time...

Could you kindly provide a few words on your comparison between the two? I am considering the XC as my endgame 'closed' headphone. I know the 3 is not closed but I am still curious on their differences. Thanks.

post #10564 of 10573
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Originally Posted by potkettleblack View Post
 

Hello you savages.

 

 

I'm interested to hear if anyone has owned a pair of Audeze's since they released their first lcd 2/3's.

 

 

Anybody here owned a pair for 3 plus years?

 

Yes, I've had the LCD-2 Rev.1 for 4 years, 5 months and 3 days (preordered on 11/29/2010 and received on 1/27/2011) with no problems whatsoever. (I don't have an LCD-3.)

 

I currently use it with the Oppo HA-1 as my headphone system of choice for watching TV.  :D

 

 

Mike

post #10565 of 10573


Thanks Mike. Let's hope they last another 5.

post #10566 of 10573
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Originally Posted by Rayzilla View Post
 
Could you kindly provide a few words on your comparison between the two? I am considering the XC as my endgame 'closed' headphone. I know the 3 is not closed but I am still curious on their differences. Thanks.

Sure. Note that while I use the present tense, all comments on the LCD-3 are on my original LCD-3F pre-repair as I want to wait to see if my replacement drivers "break in" a bit before passing judgment on them. My profile shows the other equipment I have/had, so you can probably get an idea of my biases.

 

In no particular order:

  • Comfort: I find both to be very comfortable.
  • Soundstage: I make it a point not to comment on soundstage because my speakers setup blows headphones away in that regard, so I spent 0 time thinking about it.
  • Transients: One of the things I've always looked for in gear is the ability to respond quickly to dynamic music. Both cans feel incredibly quick in the mids/highs, but in the bass, the LCD-XC is quicker. Note that the LCD-3 is by no means slow or muddy, but the LCD-XC just feels quicker. I enjoy a lot of stuff with quick transients like percussion or orchestral pieces, and both feel equally up to the task.
  • Imaging/Instrument Separation: I think it's better on the LCD-3, perhaps due to it being open.
  • Bass Character: Once again, while the 3 definitely doesn't have muddy bass, the attack/decay on the XC feels quicker and more accurate. I'm not sure you'd notice without having the XC to compare it to, but it's pretty noticeable. It's hard to say one is better. They're both great in their own way. I probably prefer the XC on something like tracks of my alma mater's marching band, but I'll reach for the LCD-3 if I want to go in the way back machine and listen to Technotronic Pump Up The Jam, or Metallica's The Four Horsemen.
  • FR: The LCD-XC feels like it has a flatter response while the LCD-3 is definitely a bit dark (confirmed by Audeze-provided FR plots if you're the measuring type). To quote @DavidMahler, the LCD-3 is the king of darkness.
  • Bass Impact: While impact is excellent on the LCD-XC, I feel the LCD-3 is in its own class. For something like kick drum hits, I think of the LCD-XC as giving an accurate portrayal of being in the same room, while the LCD-3 gives you that feeling if you arrived 2 hours early and/or pushed your way to the front of the crowd. I remember being blown away by the LCD-3 when I first got it, because I'd never had that type of experience from headphones or IEMs before. I didn't think it was even possible. In contrast, I think of the LCD-XC as listening from a few rows back. It's entirely possible this is a simple by-product of the dark nature of the cans, resulting in accentuated bass at comparable listening levels, but it is what it is.
  • Timbre: As you could probably gather from my choice of speakers and cans, I love the planar sound. There's something about it that appeals to me in a way that caused me to switch away from dynamic speakers 15+ years ago and I never looked back. Both cans feel extremely natural to me and get me much closer to an I'm there feeling than my Senns or Beyers ever did (arguably not TOTL models). If I close my eyes I can see Alison Krauss singing in front of me.
  • Listenability: I find both to be super listenable on pretty much any content you can throw at it, whereas my DT770s could be fatiguing on some material with lots of treble content. I've got a few tracks in my demo list of things like quick acoustic guitar work or what I call my euro-trash-dance-pop-torture test (2 tracks from Aqua), and they both sound great on both cans.
  • Pairing: I think the XC with a V200 sounds great, but the LCD-3 with a V200 is arguably a bit too dark. Both sound fantastic out of a GS-X mk2.
  • Luscious: It's a bit hard to explain, but while the LCD-XC is likely more neutral and quicker in the bass registers, sometimes the LCD-3 just wins. My brain says the LCD-XC is arguably a better headphone. Most of the time my heart prefers the LCD-3s and I generally reach for it first when I'm at home.

 

At the end of the day is paying 2X to own both provide 2x the value? Probably not, but I don't regret my purchase at all. If I HAD to give up the LCD-3, but I'd still be content with the LCD-XC. It's not a huge step forward or back. It's a step sideways.

I feel like you can't go wrong with either (excluding possible fragility issues with LCD-3), but I probably can't use the LCD-3 at work without bothering coworkers.

post #10567 of 10573

I know this is not the LCD-2 forum, but I have a general question relating to Audeze.

 

Can anyone give me any input on Audeze LCD-2's manufactured in June of 2013. Specifically June 5th, 2013. I've found some negative comments in relation to this specific month. If anyone has any knowledge of quality control issues or anything that occurred this month, please inbox me. I would be greatly appreciative.


Or does anyone have LCD-2's that were manufactured on this day/month and can tell me that they sound excellent.

 

Sorry for intruding on the LCD-3 forum, but I know many of you have upgraded over time or saw Audeze grow as a company. If anyone has any information, please share it with me via PM.

post #10568 of 10573

got my lcd-3 back out of RMA and Audeze was so kind enough to replace the pads to the leatherfree version. So much nicer feeling than the leather and less heavy :)

post #10569 of 10573

There is no doubt that the LCD-3 drivers do have some reliability issues. We have seen enough posts over the years to see there have been a fair number of driver failures in particular.

 

My LCD-3(C) was made in August 2012 and has been used nearly everyday on either my Yamaha Clavinova piano or Burson or Oppo HA-1 amplifiers. It is still going absolutely fine (hastily finds something wood to touch!!).

 

When someone has 6 failures, in less time than I have owned by LCD-3 and had none, is it just I got super lucky with my LCD-3, or is there something about the amplifier, headphone combination, or maybe extreme volume usage, that is causing such frequent driver failures for someone else? I find it hard to believe this is a coincidence.

post #10570 of 10573

I recently acquired an LCD-3 Fasor.

 

When I wear them (no music playing), I can literally hear my heartbeat (pulse from my temple).

 

Out of curiosity I put on my LCD-2 and I hear nothing.

 

Can anybody explain this??


Edited by vinyl addict - 7/18/15 at 10:09pm
post #10571 of 10573
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Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post
 

I recently acquired an LCD-3 Fasor.

 

When I wear them (no music playing), I can literally hear my heartbeat (pulse from my temple).

 

Out of curiosity I put on my LCD-2 and I hear nothing.

 

Can anybody explain this??


Different pressure points on the pads? I had the opposite happen to me, My LCD2's had firmer pads so could hear my pulse then I got my 3's and it has gone away as the pads are a lot softer.

post #10572 of 10573
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Originally Posted by NzAudezey View Post
 


Different pressure points on the pads? I had the opposite happen to me, My LCD2's had firmer pads so could hear my pulse then I got my 3's and it has gone away as the pads are a lot softer.

Out of curiosity does the pads make a difference in sound? 

post #10573 of 10573
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Originally Posted by NzAudezey View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post
 

I recently acquired an LCD-3 Fasor.

 

When I wear them (no music playing), I can literally hear my heartbeat (pulse from my temple).

 

Out of curiosity I put on my LCD-2 and I hear nothing.

 

Can anybody explain this??


Different pressure points on the pads? I had the opposite happen to me, My LCD2's had firmer pads so could hear my pulse then I got my 3's and it has gone away as the pads are a lot softer.


My experience is totally opposite of yours - My LCD-2 is the older firm padding, whereas, the LCD-3 has the newer thicker soft padding.

 

Initially, I thought it had something to do with the addition of the Fasor.

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