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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

 

And many people buy Audeze specifically because the HD800 sounds like cats scratching their nails on a chalkboard, the HE-6 sounds somewhat anemic, and the Abyss sounds like an empty bank account and makes you look like Darth Vader...

 

I don’t hear any of the headphones the way you describe them. They all have their own signature and some strong sides, but also some aspects that other cans do better, just like the LCD 3. I’m also sure that all headphones benefit if paired with other gear that “matches” their sound signature and the preference of the beholder.  

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If you are an LCD3 owner and haven't voted yet, please do! It's easy and we need the votes.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/771760/how-many-times-have-your-lcd3-headphones-been-returned-to-audeze-for-servicing-rma

 

If you haven't read it, it's not just a bunch of guys complaining about their broken LCD3s. It seems to me that these guys are the most loyal. Anyone who can suffer through 3 failures or more of his LCD3 and continue to own and love it anyway, must be a really big fan. So show some support and cast your vote if you haven't already.

post #10563 of 10573
I don't like going in that thread, it makes me fearful :P. Especially considering that just after 4 months I found a crack in the wood already. Doesn't affect the function, thank god, but the idea of a driver failing mad.gif
post #10564 of 10573
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Originally Posted by Exidrion View Post

I don't like going in that thread, it makes me fearful :P. Especially considering that just after 4 months I found a crack in the wood already. Doesn't affect the function, thank god, but the idea of a driver failing mad.gif

 

Fear not, my friend. One thing I have learned from that thread is, if a driver fails - so what? Audeze will fix it and it will sound better than ever when you get it back. It is highly unlikely you will ever be like Duke40 with multiple failures. In the meantime, jam out to the fine sounds of your LCD3. Live the dream. But keep a backup.

 

By the way, don't live with that crack in your new LCD3, send it in and experience the excellent Audeze customer service along with the rest of us.

post #10565 of 10573
Haha, I am sending them in. Just waiting for a response from my nearest Audeze dealer :P. The wait without them will be brutal though. I really like them.
Edited by Exidrion - 6/27/15 at 3:45pm
post #10566 of 10573
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Originally Posted by Sweetmeat View Post
 

 

Fear not, my friend. One thing I have learned from that thread is, if a driver fails - so what? Audeze will fix it and it will sound better than ever when you get it back. It is highly unlikely you will ever be like Duke40 with multiple failures. In the meantime, jam out to the fine sounds of your LCD3. Live the dream. But keep a backup.

 

By the way, don't live with that crack in your new LCD3, send it in and experience the excellent Audeze customer service along with the rest of us.

 

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Originally Posted by Exidrion View Post

Haha, I am sending them in. Just waiting for a response from my nearest Audeze dealer :P. The wait without them will be brutal though. I really like them.

 

If you live overseas, the wait would be even more brutal than it is for customers in the States - not to mention the cost of shipping.  Going on the data from 58 LCD-3 owners, thus far, one third of them have had two or more failures.  Those with 5 or 6 failures may be as rare as hens teeth, at the far right side of the Gaussian distribution curve, but anyone considering the purchase of an LCD-3, has a high probability of finding himself somewhere at the top of the curve - where at least one failure is all but guaranteed.  I can't imagine buying something, knowing that it's going to fail at least once and potentially multiple times. 

 

Their excellent customer service would not compensate my anguish. Even if they overnighted a loaner pair and offered full reimbursement of shipping costs, the Audeze LCD-3 couldn't compete with the peace of mind we take for granted with so many other flagship headphones.

 

When the waitress brings me burnt toast with my scrambled eggs and bacon, I might decide to eat it anyway, by scraping off the char with a knife, but at least when I order breakfast, I'm not doing so with the expectation that the toast will be burnt. 

post #10567 of 10573

Listening to some Vivaldi on my LCD-3f's last night.  It was pure bliss.  These are way better and easier to drive than my backup HD800's  Well worth the hassle IMHO . . . :D

post #10568 of 10573

Hello you savages.

 

 

I'm interested to hear if anyone has owned a pair of Audeze's since they released their first lcd 2/3's.

 

 

Anybody here owned a pair for 3 plus years?

post #10569 of 10573
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

Well, my pair of LCD3F's developed a left driver failure a little over a year in. :(

 

How long does the replacement process typically take?

So far it's been over a week with 2.5-3+ business day response times to the two messages on my support ticket. Am I better off trying to call in and talk to someone?

EDIT:typo

Wanted to follow up on my own post. After a bunch of back/forth, I was able to get an RMA# about a day after calling Audeze support and my headphones were shipped back to me exactly 1 week after arriving at Audeze HQ. So I definitely recommend that anyone in the same situation try talking to an actual person.

 

Apparently part of the problem was that their order system has changed in the past year or so. I may have complicated matters by mentioning that the sticker with the serial # fell off in the first week of ownership, as it then took a fairly roundabout method of purchase verification through their online ticketing system with several day response times on every message.

 

Changes:

  • I mention this more out of curiosity than anything else, but the earpad leather seems to be different. I bought my LCD-XC and LCD-3 at the exact same time. While I have always felt that both headphones were very comfy on my head, I always thought the leather on the LCD-3 seemed a little bit nicer. The original leather on the LCD-3 had a more pronounced grain and seemed to have a more natural appearance to it. The LCD-XC earpads were smoother and look just like my new LCD-3 earpads except in a different color. I totally understand that natural products like this have a lot of variation, but I am curious if anyone else has noticed a running change in the way these feel and/or are manufactured/supplied.
  • It's been almost a month since I've had my headphones and I haven't spent anywhere near enough time listening to them to definitely make any statements about differences in sonic character, but there were two noticeable differences when eyeballing the FR plots which I won't upload here. Assuming the measurements are accurate and comparable, my repaired LCD-3 should have noticeably worse deep bass extension and likely a more natural treble.
    • My original LCD-3 measured fairly flat from around 40-800Hz with a very slight downward slope. FR @ 30Hz was 2db down from 40Hz, and 20Hz was another 2db down from there. Between 2kHz-4.5kHz and from 5.5kHz-10kHz there are two noticeable dips where FR drops to almost -8db from 3kHz-4kHz and another from ~5kHz-9kHz.
    • My new LCD-3 measures fairly flat from around 45-800Hz with a very slight downward slope. FR @ 30Hz is 7db down from 40Hz, and 20Hz is another 4db down from there. FR between 2kHz and 9kHz seems flatter without a peak at ~5kHz.
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

  • ... I bought my LCD-XC and LCD-3 at the exact same time...

Could you kindly provide a few words on your comparison between the two? I am considering the XC as my endgame 'closed' headphone. I know the 3 is not closed but I am still curious on their differences. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by potkettleblack View Post
 

Hello you savages.

 

 

I'm interested to hear if anyone has owned a pair of Audeze's since they released their first lcd 2/3's.

 

 

Anybody here owned a pair for 3 plus years?

 

Yes, I've had the LCD-2 Rev.1 for 4 years, 5 months and 3 days (preordered on 11/29/2010 and received on 1/27/2011) with no problems whatsoever. (I don't have an LCD-3.)

 

I currently use it with the Oppo HA-1 as my headphone system of choice for watching TV.  :D

 

 

Mike

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Thanks Mike. Let's hope they last another 5.

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Originally Posted by Rayzilla View Post
 
Could you kindly provide a few words on your comparison between the two? I am considering the XC as my endgame 'closed' headphone. I know the 3 is not closed but I am still curious on their differences. Thanks.

Sure. Note that while I use the present tense, all comments on the LCD-3 are on my original LCD-3F pre-repair as I want to wait to see if my replacement drivers "break in" a bit before passing judgment on them. My profile shows the other equipment I have/had, so you can probably get an idea of my biases.

 

In no particular order:

  • Comfort: I find both to be very comfortable.
  • Soundstage: I make it a point not to comment on soundstage because my speakers setup blows headphones away in that regard, so I spent 0 time thinking about it.
  • Transients: One of the things I've always looked for in gear is the ability to respond quickly to dynamic music. Both cans feel incredibly quick in the mids/highs, but in the bass, the LCD-XC is quicker. Note that the LCD-3 is by no means slow or muddy, but the LCD-XC just feels quicker. I enjoy a lot of stuff with quick transients like percussion or orchestral pieces, and both feel equally up to the task.
  • Imaging/Instrument Separation: I think it's better on the LCD-3, perhaps due to it being open.
  • Bass Character: Once again, while the 3 definitely doesn't have muddy bass, the attack/decay on the XC feels quicker and more accurate. I'm not sure you'd notice without having the XC to compare it to, but it's pretty noticeable. It's hard to say one is better. They're both great in their own way. I probably prefer the XC on something like tracks of my alma mater's marching band, but I'll reach for the LCD-3 if I want to go in the way back machine and listen to Technotronic Pump Up The Jam, or Metallica's The Four Horsemen.
  • FR: The LCD-XC feels like it has a flatter response while the LCD-3 is definitely a bit dark (confirmed by Audeze-provided FR plots if you're the measuring type). To quote @DavidMahler, the LCD-3 is the king of darkness.
  • Bass Impact: While impact is excellent on the LCD-XC, I feel the LCD-3 is in its own class. For something like kick drum hits, I think of the LCD-XC as giving an accurate portrayal of being in the same room, while the LCD-3 gives you that feeling if you arrived 2 hours early and/or pushed your way to the front of the crowd. I remember being blown away by the LCD-3 when I first got it, because I'd never had that type of experience from headphones or IEMs before. I didn't think it was even possible. In contrast, I think of the LCD-XC as listening from a few rows back. It's entirely possible this is a simple by-product of the dark nature of the cans, resulting in accentuated bass at comparable listening levels, but it is what it is.
  • Timbre: As you could probably gather from my choice of speakers and cans, I love the planar sound. There's something about it that appeals to me in a way that caused me to switch away from dynamic speakers 15+ years ago and I never looked back. Both cans feel extremely natural to me and get me much closer to an I'm there feeling than my Senns or Beyers ever did (arguably not TOTL models). If I close my eyes I can see Alison Krauss singing in front of me.
  • Listenability: I find both to be super listenable on pretty much any content you can throw at it, whereas my DT770s could be fatiguing on some material with lots of treble content. I've got a few tracks in my demo list of things like quick acoustic guitar work or what I call my euro-trash-dance-pop-torture test (2 tracks from Aqua), and they both sound great on both cans.
  • Pairing: I think the XC with a V200 sounds great, but the LCD-3 with a V200 is arguably a bit too dark. Both sound fantastic out of a GS-X mk2.
  • Luscious: It's a bit hard to explain, but while the LCD-XC is likely more neutral and quicker in the bass registers, sometimes the LCD-3 just wins. My brain says the LCD-XC is arguably a better headphone. Most of the time my heart prefers the LCD-3s and I generally reach for it first when I'm at home.

 

At the end of the day is paying 2X to own both provide 2x the value? Probably not, but I don't regret my purchase at all. If I HAD to give up the LCD-3, but I'd still be content with the LCD-XC. It's not a huge step forward or back. It's a step sideways.

I feel like you can't go wrong with either (excluding possible fragility issues with LCD-3), but I probably can't use the LCD-3 at work without bothering coworkers.

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