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post #10396 of 11248
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Originally Posted by FMNY View Post
 


Mystery solved.  The demo pair I heard and really liked was a 3c whereas the new set I bought was a 3f.  That explains the difference in sound.  So at least for me and the type of music I mainly listen to (classical solo piano) the 3c is more to my taste.  The bigger sound stage of the 3f gave the piano a darker, muddier sound that made it less desirable for me.  I suspect for most types of music the 3f is preferable, but for my particular needs the 3c works best.  At least I know that I wasn't crazy when I thought the headphones I bought sounded different than what I heard in the store.  I've returned the 3f and will be getting the 3c.  Thanks to all for their replies.

Well, don't I feel silly.

 

Only a couple of days ago I was talking to a user saying how I've never heard anybody saying they prefer the 3c's to the 3f's.

 

Anyway- glad you are getting the one's you preferred - enjoy brother

post #10397 of 11248
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Originally Posted by FMNY View Post
 


Mystery solved.  The demo pair I heard and really liked was a 3c whereas the new set I bought was a 3f.  That explains the difference in sound.  So at least for me and the type of music I mainly listen to (classical solo piano) the 3c is more to my taste.  The bigger sound stage of the 3f gave the piano a darker, muddier sound that made it less desirable for me.  I suspect for most types of music the 3f is preferable, but for my particular needs the 3c works best.  At least I know that I wasn't crazy when I thought the headphones I bought sounded different than what I heard in the store.  I've returned the 3f and will be getting the 3c.  Thanks to all for their replies.

For me it was the other way around. Everything sounded better on 3f, considerably better. I found the difference between 3f and 3c not to be subtle at all. It was like another headphone for me. Everything sounded considerably more clear with better focus, better instrument separation, better transparency, better impact, etc. 

post #10398 of 11248
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Great hearing it worked out well for you.

 

If you did not clarify I would have personally thought it was exactly the other way around between those two models, based on the description alone.

post #10399 of 11248

How is the Rag with LCD-3F?

I'd asume its a blast, but much difference from Mjolnir? Maybe a little calmer them mjolnir? 

post #10400 of 11248
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How is the Rag with LCD-3F?

I'd asume its a blast, but much difference from Mjolnir? Maybe a little calmer them mjolnir? 

 

For me the Rag was "too calm" with the 3Fs and not in a good way. In an almost slightly veiled, dynamically limiting and not very transparent way. It has a smoothness layer that it does and I didn't find it adds value with the 3Fs or HE-6s. 

 

Some may like that, particularly with a brighter DAC/headphones.


Edited by negura - 4/14/15 at 3:47am
post #10401 of 11248
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Originally Posted by FMNY View Post
 


Mystery solved.  The demo pair I heard and really liked was a 3c whereas the new set I bought was a 3f.  That explains the difference in sound.  So at least for me and the type of music I mainly listen to (classical solo piano) the 3c is more to my taste.  The bigger sound stage of the 3f gave the piano a darker, muddier sound that made it less desirable for me.  I suspect for most types of music the 3f is preferable, but for my particular needs the 3c works best.  At least I know that I wasn't crazy when I thought the headphones I bought sounded different than what I heard in the store.  I've returned the 3f and will be getting the 3c.  Thanks to all for their replies.

 

That was a very good catch..  It's good you noticed something wasn't right, and wanted to get it fixed.  However, for me - I threw the LCD-3Cs out the door just as soon as I got them for the very same reason you like them :biggrin:.  3Fs being darker and muddier than the 3Cs with the piano does not compute with me.  IMO it's more clear / no veil / more crisp / i can go on and on..  Anyway, I'm glad you get the headphone you want - that's what it's all about anyway.


Edited by preproman - 4/14/15 at 7:54am
post #10402 of 11248
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Originally Posted by FredrikT92 View Post
 

How is the Rag with LCD-3F?

I'd asume its a blast, but much difference from Mjolnir? Maybe a little calmer them mjolnir? 

I know the LCD-2.2 sounds pretty good with the Mjolnir - I've heard that combo many times and liked it.  

 

How does the 3Fs sound with the Mjolnir - is it to bright?  

 

It's seems there is no middle ground between the Mj and the Rag...  either to bright (MJ) with some headphones or to calm (Rag) with some headphones..  

 

More impressions of the 3F on different amps - keep'em coming..

post #10403 of 11248

I think 3F is perfect with Mjolnir, just like my LCD-2 was. But I dont have any comparisons so ofc I will think it sounds good.

But I'd love to step up to level 10 and get the most out of the LCD-3Fs as I will probably keep them for a 2+ years like with the LCD-2. 

 

I know my unbalanced Arcam irDAC might be the weaker link in my system, but ive owned a Audio GD M7 which I thought dident make much improvement, and changed the sound slightly to something I dident like so it wasent worth it. DAC's make the least improvement anyway, but ofcourse, as a whole, it would be good to have a excellent DAC aswell. 

post #10404 of 11248
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. DAC's make the least improvement anyway, but ofcourse, as a whole, it would be good to have a excellent DAC aswell. 

 

:eek:

post #10405 of 11248

Try the Master 9 - I liked the new HE-9 with the 3Fs, but it had QC problems so I can't recommend the new model. Audio GD say the HE-9 and M9 are more similar than different.

 

I really like the EC 2a3Mk4 with the 3Fs, but it's at a different budget.

 

To me DACs make a major difference in the setup, so much that it could alter my amp purchase one way or the other. But ideally it shouldn't.


Edited by negura - 4/14/15 at 4:17am
post #10406 of 11248

I've always been taught that DAC's make least improvement, but maybe im wrong :P

So I prioritize headphones, then amplifier and then at last the DAC.

Unfortunaly, now with the norwegian currency getting weaker, I only have like... 2k budget for upgrading my system. 

post #10407 of 11248

Transducers come first agreed. It is hard to prioritise between DACs and amps, as the system will be limited by one or the other, otherwise. A bit of a catch 22 situation.

 

That said, I could probably tolerate a "lesser" amp a bit easier than a "lesser" DAC if it came to it. Especially if it was an irritating DAC. It's quite difficult for amps to be that bad to be irritating, if the source is good, but entirely possible. Exceptions apply (like crazy to drive headphones, but this is the 3Fs thread). YMMV etc.


Edited by negura - 4/14/15 at 4:25am
post #10408 of 11248

I'm not sure what would be an upgrade over my Arcam irDAC, when to me, the Audio GD M7 wasent much improvement, atleast not worth the massive price difference. 

Maybe the yggy would be, but im not sure :D 

I dont wanna spend many k's on a DAC for very minor improvement, because I cant afford at the moment


Edited by FredrikT92 - 4/14/15 at 4:31am
post #10409 of 11248
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Originally Posted by negura View Post
 

Transducers come first agreed. It is hard to prioritise between DACs and amps, as the system will be limited by one or the other, otherwise. A bit of a catch 22 situation.

 

That said, I could probably tolerate a "lesser" amp a bit easier than a "lesser" DAC if it came to it. Especially if it was an irritating DAC. It's quite difficult for amps to be that bad to be irritating, if the source is good, but entirely possible. Exceptions apply (like crazy to drive headphones, but this is the 3Fs thread). YMMV etc.

 

I agree and I think it’s important to think more about the whole system and what kind of sound one wants from it. It is so easy to get caught on what the best amp, dac, headphone, cables and so on is and maybe not paying enough importance to the synergy of this parts, because they are only parts.

The transducer, the source and the amp are the key components, but also cables and power gears is important for the final sound.   

post #10410 of 11248
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Originally Posted by FMNY View Post
 


Mystery solved.  The demo pair I heard and really liked was a 3c whereas the new set I bought was a 3f.  That explains the difference in sound.  So at least for me and the type of music I mainly listen to (classical solo piano) the 3c is more to my taste.  The bigger sound stage of the 3f gave the piano a darker, muddier sound that made it less desirable for me.  I suspect for most types of music the 3f is preferable, but for my particular needs the 3c works best.  At least I know that I wasn't crazy when I thought the headphones I bought sounded different than what I heard in the store.  I've returned the 3f and will be getting the 3c.  Thanks to all for their replies.

 

Glad you got the sound you wanted and I can fully understand that the classic can sound better than the fazor in some systems and to some preference. Your description that the piano sounds darker and muddier is the opposite of my experience.  Are you sure that the LCD 3F you had was okay?

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