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post #2596 of 3597
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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post

Just purchased a W5000. Can't wait to see how it compares to the W3000ANV and AD2000 on the HA5000 (still waiting for this too..)

 

Yay!

 

looking forward to your comparison. i'm planning on trying the w5000 tomorrow, barring life getting in the way. wink.gif

post #2597 of 3597
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Originally Posted by AppleheadMay View Post

Since I got some good advice in this thread on headphone amps for the W3000 I wanted to let you know I bit the bullet and went for endgame.

I just ordered me an EAR HP4, advance paid, no way back. 6 to 8 weeks delivery, which gives me the time for kidney surgery.  ;)

I already have all the phones I want except for the TH900 which I will get once my D7000/LA7000 experiments are completed.

That will mean endagame rig completed for me then, music listening instead of amp listening.

Just a little tube rolling still but I know which sound I want from the tubes.

 

Congrats, you will be amongst a very select group that have gotten off the headphone amp merry-go-round and become an appreciative owner of the finest dynamic headphone amplifier on the market today. The trap so many of us fall into is listening to the gear, not the music. Using an HP4 to drive your cans should enable you to come to the confident conclusion that it doesn't get any better than this with your particular collection of headphones.

 

I see where you have even bumped the long dormant HP4 thread on Head-Fi.

 

Apparently, you possess the patience of Job with your plan to break in the stock valves Tim de P. includes with the kit. I can understand your plan to analyze how the sound evolves as you familiarize yourself with the stock tubes and then begin to roll. On the other hand, this impatient audiophile wanted to start listening to how gorgeous the amp can sound early on in the process so I almost immediately rolled the tubes using classic NOS 6SL7's. Out of curiosity, have you decided what your first configuration of NOS valves will consist of? As you have become aware, this is an entirely seperate field of study in itself!

 

Just to make this posting appropriate for the thread, the synergy between the EAR and the W3000's is sublime!

post #2598 of 3597
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Originally Posted by Dr. Roberts View Post

 

Congrats, you will be amongst a very select group that have gotten off the headphone amp merry-go-round and become an appreciative owner of the finest dynamic headphone amplifier on the market today. The trap so many of us fall into is listening to the gear, not the music. Using an HP4 to drive your cans should enable you to come to the confident conclusion that it doesn't get any better than this with your particular collection of headphones.

 

I see where you have even bumped the long dormant HP4 thread on Head-Fi.

 

Apparently, you possess the patience of Job with your plan to break in the stock valves Tim de P. includes with the kit. I can understand your plan to analyze how the sound evolves as you familiarize yourself with the stock tubes and then begin to roll. On the other hand, this impatient audiophile wanted to start listening to how gorgeous the amp can sound early on in the process so I almost immediately rolled the tubes using classic NOS 6SL7's. Out of curiosity, have you decided what your first configuration of NOS valves will consist of? As you have become aware, this is an entirely seperate field of study in itself!

 

Just to make this posting appropriate for the thread, the synergy between the EAR and the W3000's is sublime!

 

And I have you to thank for that mainly! :)

 

Yes, I bumped the thread and also the tube rolling thread.

I have some limited experience with 6SL7 tubes with my Zana but I will need to sell them all off  since I have no matched pairs.

For the moment I am mainly considering the Sylvania and Tung Sol tubes like you suggested.

But I am also still asking some advice in the HP4 tube rolling thread, it just doesn't look like may people are subscribed to it anymore.

I have a Standard Radio tube I tried with the Zana as well and I must say that's one fine tube!

I would love to get my hands on a pair of 6SL7W, the metal based Sylvanias but sadly I can't find those anywhere and I tried 4 well regarded tube sites. I'm not buying tubes off Fleabay though.

post #2599 of 3597

Received my W5000 today. Currently listening to it with my iPhone and a Radioshack 1/4" to 1/8" adapter. tongue.gif

 

So I'll wait on comparisons between the W5000, W3000ANV, and AD2000 until I have my new AT-HA5000 amp. Should be here early to mid next week. biggrin.gif

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congratulations! i spent some time with the w5000 yesterday. the w3000anv and w5000 sound like close siblings. the w5000 sounds brighter and clearer than the hazier w3000anv.

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I can assure you that with the AT-HA5000ANV amplifier there is nothing hazy about the W3000ANV sound. biggrin.gif
post #2602 of 3597
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Originally Posted by Ridleyguy View Post

I can assure you that with the AT-HA5000ANV amplifier there is nothing hazy about the W3000ANV sound. biggrin.gif

Well, I'll have the HA5000 (not ANV) which should be almost the same.

 

For what it's worth, the rolled off bass with the W5000 hasn't been a problem for me yet. Even on my iPhone, haha. But then again I've been listening to mostly jpop and some Yukari vocaloid. It may not work for all styles.

 

Having no amp is no fun. :(

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I look forward to reading your impressions of the HA-5000 ZenErik.
post #2604 of 3597
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Originally Posted by shimmer n roar View Post

congratulations! i spent some time with the w5000 yesterday. the w3000anv and w5000 sound like close siblings. the w5000 sounds brighter and clearer than the hazier w3000anv.


There is nothing hazy about the W3000s on any of the rigs I`ve tried them on. Simply outstanding headphones. Funny how that works because the W5000s are not my favourite by any stretch of the term.

post #2605 of 3597
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post


There is nothing hazy about the W3000s on any of the rigs I`ve tried them on. Simply outstanding headphones. Funny how that works because the W5000s are not my favourite by any stretch of the term.

I can only agree with that. Hazy, the W3000? Some people even complain about brightness. I don't seem to have that problem though (after burn-in).

Lush in the nids, cozy, mid-warmth, cocoon is what comes to my mind.

 

That said, the W5000 which I had seemed a little brighter and more accurate to me. Though being an AT it was still far from accurate. It wasn't your typical AT though which is why I sold it and I must admit I didn't spend enough time with it to make any decisive statements here. But I didn't find it bad in any way like some HFers do. If there is any AT that sounds even less AT like it would be the A2000X for me. Both do a better job for classical/orchestral/opera music than any other ATs IMO. But some phones like the D7000 and HD800 do even better with those genres. Probably the SR009 and Ultrasone--ED10 (is that the right number) as well but I haven't heard them.

 

But if you're looking for mids, vocal, light vocal Jazz, light rck, etc ... there's nothing IMO (as a closed dynamic phones fan) that will beat the W3000.

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Sorry, I'm not seeing your W5000 is more accurate (or even just a "little" brighter). They were substantially more coloured (and thinner) and didn't perform very well the several times I've heard them. YMMV of course. Actually they were the headphones that really kept me away from trying W3000ANVs for several months.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudioTechnicaATHW5000.pdf

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=123

 

Not the best measuring headphones either. But I've heard the AT amp can really make them sound better. That combination I haven't heard. That said, the W3000ANVs have allowed me to sell my Ed.8LE headphones and I've very happily settled down with them as my closed headphone option.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 5/13/12 at 7:33pm
post #2607 of 3597

the w3000anv sounds hazy relative to the w5000 as i hear it. that's not to say that the w3000anv sounds cloudy per se. the w5000 has a different tonal balance, giving it a brighter, slightly sharper and clearer presentation than the softer, more seductive sounding w3000anv. muppetface puts it nicely when she compares the w3000anv to the th900: "For me the effect of the W3000ANV here is somewhat akin to a filter, that "antique hue" I'm always on about when I mention it. To my ears it's more sultry, romantic, ambient, hypnotic, and heavy-lidded. Like sitting in a smoke filled nightclub or an opium den."

 

the w3000anv is not transparent and neither is the w5000, but the w5000 seemed less opaque. i honestly couldn't describe one as more accurate or neutral than the other. they're both closed phones with a-t's unique colorations. it just comes down to which flavour you prefer. smile.gif


Edited by shimmer n roar - 5/14/12 at 2:32am
post #2608 of 3597

I think the problem boils down to language and what we mean by "hazy." If one means it in the sense of resolution, then no, I don't think the W3000ANV lacks resolution compared to the W5000. I tend to take hazy to refer to coloration generally however, and the W3000ANV is hazier to me in the sense that the mids are thicker than the W5000's and have a certain more seductive and smokier quality compared to the more airy and brittle W5000.

 

Like I said in the TH900 thread, language is a very imprecise tool for describing sound. Frequency graphs wont help either unless we agree on the terms we're using to describe what we see.

post #2609 of 3597

both the w3000anv and the w5000 are very detailed phones. the w5000 examines them using a harsher light than the w3000anv does. yes, language can get us into quite a pickle. wink.gif


Edited by shimmer n roar - 5/14/12 at 3:02am
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The W3000ANV has an amazing amount of details and I couldn't believe I am actually listening to a pair of woodies. Listening to the A2000X after the W3000ANV feels like I am drinking a cup of Japanese traditional green tea (not those artificially sweetened ones) after a bowl of ramen.


Edited by uelover - 5/14/12 at 3:18am
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