New Flagship from Audio-Technica: ATH-W3000ANV, 50th Anniversary Headphones - Page 152  

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Originally Posted by cute 

Impedance difference, different cables!

The W1000x must have a pretty pathetic cable then...

No that I think about it, it's more likely that the acoustic loading of the different enclosure could change the impedance that much since it's not a huge difference, only 2 ohms.

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Originally Posted by maverickronin 

The W1000x must have a pretty pathetic cable then...

 

No that I think about it, it's more likely that the acoustic loading of the different enclosure could change the impedance that much since it's not a huge difference, only 2 ohms.

The W1000X cable is PC OFC, the W3000ANV cable is 7N OFC, I upgraded the W1000X cable to a Moon Audio Blue Dragon, which is also 7N OFC, and it improved the sound, smoother with more detail throughout, still has the Audio Technica sound signature though!!
 

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Originally Posted by cute 

The W1000X cable is PC OFC, the W3000ANV cable is 7N OFC, I upgraded the W1000X cable to a Moon Audio Blue Dragon, which is also 7N OFC, and it improved the sound, smoother with more detail throughout, still has the Audio Technica sound signature though!!

That was supposed to be sarcastic since an 8 foot cable would have to be a pretty thin gauge to have 2 ohms of impedance even if its just plain copper.

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Originally Posted by cute 

Replacement 53mm drivers for these are only $24 ea...I ordered a pair for my recabled W1000X, but they both use the same driver.....W3000ANV and W1000X, according to Audio Technica Parts USA!

The person you spoke to at A-T USA may have been on drugs. Or they are simply just not offering the original W3000ANV drivers.
 

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Originally Posted by maverickronin 

The W1000x must have a pretty pathetic cable then...

 

No that I think about it, it's more likely that the acoustic loading of the different enclosure could change the impedance that much since it's not a huge difference, only 2 ohms.

From memory, the internal volume of the W1000X and W3000ANV cups was the same. The internal construction of the baffle and internal plastic pieces is also the same. Both use the exact same yellow fiberglass donut. A slight difference is that the W3000ANV has a thin foam disc inside the plastic cage that covers the back of the driver. I've played around with stuffing different materials, so I'm pretty sure that wouldn't explain the differences between them.

Also, according to AT specs, the driver voice coil wire of the W3000ANV is OFC 7N. On the W1000X, it's OFC 6N. The W3000ANV is also more sensitive, 102db/mW vs 100. These factors more likely explain the impedance difference.

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Originally Posted by purrin 

The person you spoke to at A-T USA may have been on drugs. Or they are simply just not offering the original W3000ANV drivers.
 

From memory, the internal volume of the W1000X and W3000ANV cups was the same. The internal construction of the baffle and internal plastic pieces is also the same. Both use the exact same yellow fiberglass donut. A slight difference is that the W3000ANV has a thin foam disc inside the plastic cage that covers the back of the driver. I've played around with stuffing different materials, so I'm pretty sure that wouldn't explain the differences between them.

 

Also, according to AT specs, the driver voice coil wire of the W3000ANV is OFC 7N. On the W1000X, it's OFC 6N. The W3000ANV is also more sensitive, 102db/mW vs 100. These factors more likely explain the impedance difference.

I didn't really think it sounded too likely but since you've had both of them apart I'll have to go with AT USA being stupid, on drugs, or lying which I didn't really want to go with either...

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Originally Posted by Telstar 

 

I think people makes too much of a fuss over AT headband. it's made this way to fit to most head shapes with a little bending in either direction.

i don't have a problem with the comfort of the a-t floating wing system but i think that more can go wrong with it than a simple headband. a-t's seem to sit lower on the head than more conventional designs.

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Originally Posted by shimmer n roar 

i don't have a problem with the comfort of the a-t floating wing system but i think that more can go wrong with it than a simple headband. a-t's seem to sit lower on the head than more conventional designs.

I have to say of all the headphones I have came across, HD800 has the most comfortable design. It adjust itself for different sizes... Unlike some other brands I had to literary abuse the headband by forcing it to expand over a week or so to reduce the clamp... Also the weight is evenly distributed, rather than having all the weight on 1 or 2 spots which cause pain after long usage....

Problem of big head people :P

Btw W3000ANV actually looks quite comfortable...

Is W3000ANV the best from Audio Technica for orchestra / movie music ?

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Originally Posted by OneSec 

I have to say of all the headphones I have came across, HD800 has the most comfortable design. It adjust itself for different sizes...

Not really. Its cup is just too big for me.

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Originally Posted by OneSec 

 

Problem of big head people :P

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Originally Posted by uelover 

Not really. Its cup is just too big for me.

You are right, the cup size is rather big, I didn't put my words correctly, it adjust itself for different width. Thanks for the correction.

Can I conclude I have bigger face? :)

My W3000ANV is here! Only 7 hours and 42 minutes of work to go. NICE!

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Originally Posted by Audio-Omega 

Is W3000ANV the best from Audio Technica for orchestra / movie music ?

I've owned several of the closed ATs and most are not ideal for orchestral music.

The W3000ANV is certainly very good for lighter music of this type, but its slightly forward presentation in the upper FR and tonal coloration is a bit unnatural for a full orchestra.

Actually, I think the L3000 is an outstanding choice for big powerful symphonic music with the right amp and source. It's usually noted as a great can for rock, but it's also my personal favorite AT for big scale orchestral and soundtracks. Mahler, Shostakovich, big film music all are very convincing. It certainly has some colorations, but, again with the right up- stream gear these can be neutralized. It doesn't have a huge soundstage but it has great instrumental separation and depth within most of the FR.

Otherwise, I prefer the TOTL Senns, GS1000 and AKG K501 and K1000 for the type of music I think you're referring to,  and would pick them over the W3000's. But..... for most smaller scale vocal based music the W3000ANVs are so much more fun and involving.

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Originally Posted by Audio-Omega 

Is W3000ANV the best from Audio Technica for orchestra / movie music ?

I agree for the most part with Tev here, for that kind of music the W3000 is not the ideal choice.

Based on my experiences, try the D7000 as well and based on what I hear from MuppetFace I think the TH900 might be a good choice also.

TotL Senns or any AKGs don't win it from the D7000 IMO but I have a strange taste.

Tev, I as well was under the impression the L3000s only did well with rock and more particularly the harder variety.

I never even bothered to try them with large scale orchestral. Will certainly try that tomorrow.

For now it's "Dark Side of the Moon" and then some Uriah Heep, all on the L3000 tonight.

And with that goes one of my favorite wines, a Cabernet Sauvignon from Chile. The more I try the South American wines the less I like the French ones. Strange taste in wine as well maybe?

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Originally Posted by tev 

Actually, I think the L3000 is an outstanding choice for big powerful symphonic music with the right amp and source. It's usually noted as a great can for rock, but it's also my personal favorite AT for big scale orchestral and soundtracks. Mahler, Shostakovich, big film music all are very convincing. It certainly has some colorations, but, again with the right up- stream gear these can be neutralized. It doesn't have a huge soundstage but it has great instrumental separation and depth within most of the FR.

 

 

Strange, in my experience, their lack of soundstage make the L3000 a very poor choice for large scale orchestral music...

Listening to the W3000ANV right now. Breaking it in with some Genki Rockets. Definitely a better headphone than the HD800 for this type of music. Which is precisely what I bought them for. Loving the bass. It's doing pretty well with the sibilant vocals that I know are on the album too. They're still there but stick out a little less. The vocals for this album are recorded pretty poorly. And the vocal effects they use on certain tracks only multiply that issue. But they're not sticking out as badly as usual for the most part.

I will be getting a 100 or 120 ohm adapter for my GS-1 which should benefit the bass on the HD800. I am very interested in seeing how the two headphones compare once that arrives. 

The W3000ANV is pretty comfortable but doesn't seem to be doing as well with my glasses as the HD800. Perhaps after they break in a bit more that will change. As nice as these are sounding with j-pop/trance, I will have to see how they handle acoustic music. I can't imagine them topping the HD800 in that area, but you never know.