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post #151 of 225

Go the PS1000!

 

They might be responsible for keeping chiropractors in business but they're still flying the Grado flag..

post #152 of 225

I'm glad Grado has remained fairly constant over the years.  I'm sure they feel that when a product is good, there's isn't a need for constant tweaking.

 

Of all the headphone brands I've owned over the years, I've had more models from the Grado lineup than any other.  I think owning a Grado at some point should damn near be a "right of passage" in the head-fi community. 

 

 

Cheers.

post #153 of 225

Sooo. A headphone company has "trademarked" a style of headphone. They have made improvements on the drivers and sound, but the aesthetics of the headphones have stayed the same.(Grado, Sennheiser, AKG, Audiotechnica, Phiaton, Etymotic, Shure, JH Audio,STAX) So the design hasn't changes but the sound is different ranging from subtle to drastic. Therefor none of these company's are evolving fast enough correct?

post #154 of 225
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Originally Posted by AudioDwebe View Post

I'm glad Grado has remained fairly constant over the years.  I'm sure they feel that when a product is good, there's isn't a need for constant tweaking.

 

Of all the headphone brands I've owned over the years, I've had more models from the Grado lineup than any other.  I think owning a Grado at some point should damn near be a "right of passage" in the head-fi community. 

 

 

Cheers.


There's room for a Grado SR80i in everyone's headphone collection, except for those that despise up front

staging and even the slightest hint of elevated treble, the sensitive ears among us..

 

post #155 of 225
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Originally Posted by Gwarmi View Post

There's room for a Grado SR80i in everyone's headphone collection, except for those that despise up front

staging and even the slightest hint of elevated treble, the sensitive ears among us..

 



The sr80i's have a special place in my crawl space in a plastic bag......

post #156 of 225

Sigh. We Grado fans are our own worst enemy - endless soul-searching that the Senn brigade simply dont seem to bother with.

 

I've said it before - anyone unhappy with their RS1/Ms-PRO need only send them to me and I'll send you a carton of Australian beer. Win-win.

post #157 of 225
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post

Sigh. We Grado fans are our own worst enemy - endless soul-searching that the Senn brigade simply dont seem to bother with.

 

I've said it before - anyone unhappy with their RS1/Ms-PRO need only send them to me and I'll send you a carton of Australian beer. Win-win.



Does Tooheys count? 

 

toohey-box.jpg

post #158 of 225
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Originally Posted by alphaphoenix View Post

 

For those who feel the L-Cusions or any other cushion is hard and/or itchy; they're stiff as hell and itchy when new.  Wash them with gentle dish soap and over time, wash them again.  You'll be amazed how this one simple procedure greatly improves comfort. 


I haven't washed my bowls yet, but one question, wouldn't this make the bowls too soft and mushy and bring the drivers closer to the ears. Wouldn't this damage the airness and soundstage of my MS Pro?
 

 

post #159 of 225
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Originally Posted by Nick01 View Post

I haven't washed my bowls yet, but one question, wouldn't this make the bowls too soft and mushy and bring the drivers closer to the ears. Wouldn't this damage the airness and soundstage of my MS Pro? 

 



No problems over here Nick,

 

Hand washed in warm water with Johnson's baby shampoo 3 times now, well rinsed in clear water and

then hung out to dry. No deformation whatsoever. 

post #160 of 225

I think that maybe Grado has not been as quick to cater to the market as some of the bigger manufacturers, or another way to look at it is maybe Grado is a bit more old fashioned.  If it's enough to get them by then more power to them.  The headphone market today is so much different than what it was when I got started here.

post #161 of 225
No, Grado has tried to keep up with the market. However, the GS-1000 fell flat and the PS-1000 is barely on the radar.

The PS-500 might have a chance, but it is priced too closely to the RS-1. And all of them are priced too high, except for the SR-60, which is still one of the best entry-level values. Grado ought to do some soul-searching, simplify the line and become more of a value proposition. The PS-1000 isn't helping the brand image any.

As for washing the bowls, go for it. They won't deform and will be much more comfortable.
post #162 of 225
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

No, Grado has tried to keep up with the market. However, the GS-1000 fell flat

 

 

My GS1000i serial # is 9274. If that's has been counted since the original GS1000 in 2006, that's still a lot of them. However, if that serial # is counted since 2009 for the GS1000iii, then that's A LOT of them.

Only fell flat here on head-fi, not elsewhere. Sort of like Monster Beats lol

post #163 of 225

That serial number makes sense,

 

France and Italy Hi Fi revere The GS1000, true that the PS1000 does not pop up much

but the Frenchies love the GS1000, plenty of chat going on in their forums.

 

Then there is Thailand, Hong Kong and Vietnam - fair amount of Grado lovers there

too (non specific to any model)

 

First shipment of the PS500 headed to Asia instead of filling US shelves, that tells

you John knows where the money is.


Edited by Gwarmi - 10/21/11 at 6:21am
post #164 of 225

Not sure what everyone here is fussing about.  I really like my Grados... The box?  really?  Those are stacked in my closet for when I move (on top of my speaker boxes).  I've never had a lick of issues with any of them either.  Sure my HF2s have a couple of blemishes on the metal finish since new, which is annoying but not a show stopper. Overall build quality I've had no issues with.  Nothing has broken or failed in the 7+ years I've owned the MS-1s, 6+ years I've owned the HF-1s, and 2+ years I've owned the HF2s.  The HF-1s have been my work headphones since I got em... 6-8 hours a day five days a week on my head.  

 

I've heard a lot of the "high end" stuff from the larger manufacturers, and even the smaller ones.  With maybe one exception (LCD2) I haven't heard anything I'd say was far and above the HF2s in performance.  The k701 I found to be nice for things but completely lacking bottom.  Not even in the same league for anything but classical.  Rock on the K701 was a 'forget about it' type of experience for me.  The Denon D7000 I found to be very similar in sound to the HF2, but lacking the airiness I enjoy in the Grados.  Sennheiser's are interesting, and I can see how people would like them, but not for me.  

 

In the grand scheme of things headphone design hasn't changed since the 60s when Koss and Sennheiser started rocking out.  You can put a new driver in a fancy plastic enclosure, but the driver itself is built pretty much just like they always have been.  Sure there's electrostatic and planar, but even those technologies are quite old.  Grado continually tweaks their drivers and housings just like everyone else, they just tend to leave the overall build and design the same (probably for interchangeability of parts since they're a relatively small hand made shop).  

 

When I started this on site Grado's line was simply 60,80,125,225,325,rs-2,rs-1.  Now they have the "i" series of those, had HF series, PS-1, GS-1000, GS-1000i, PS-1000, iGrado, IEMs, now PS500.  At the same time Sennheiser had gobs of low end stuff, the 280, 600, 650.  They now have gobs of new low end stuff, some new fill-ins between 280 and 600, and the 800.  That's basically the same progression in the high end.  

 

What we HAVE seen is a ton of new manufacturers, which is quite exciting, but I don't have any issues with the old guys hanging around doing what they do.  The market is growing dramatically and IMO people are still trying to catch the guys who've been doing this for years and years.  

post #165 of 225

+1 plus.

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