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An early day due to the holidays and a nice long week end.

 

Sitting on the R train minding my own business.  Tools Anemia blasting on my edition 8's.

 

From the corner of my eye I see a plastic water bottle being flung at a young woman by a small group of high school kids (2 guys and 1 girl).  the water bottle hits the young woman in the head.   An older woman who did not know the victim gets up and starts screaming at the thug.  He pushes her away.  Apparently she is a former marine and will have no part of it 

Telling him to keep his hands off of her.  He does not and keeps pushing her.

 

I loose my truckin mind and scream keep your Fn hands off the woman.  He does not even acknowledge me the situation with the ex marine starts to escalate.  I am now standing and screaming keep your hands off the woman.   He tells me to mind my own FN business, not sure what I said at that point but he is now toe to toe with me.  Saying "he would not hit a woman but he'll smack my punk ass.

 

I am unfazed and coiled like a spring in a jack in the box.  His hands start flailing and he is telling me to go ahead and hit him.  I discretely reach into my bag and take out one of my many self defense weapons.   It is ready to go and all I need is for him to punch or push me before I neutralize him, I feel a gentle hand on my arm and a soft voice saying its not worth it.  I look over my shoulder and there are 5 or 6 guys behind me ( a few larger than 6'), I had no idea, I thought I was alone.  Once I saw the support, I put it away and regained my composer. I told the marine to get the conductor.  The punk was escorted off the train by the police. His friend was embarrassed and apologizing for his friend actions

 

I am not the biggest guy in the world only 5'8" but I weigh 205 pounds and have very little body fat (mostly muscle). Also my parents made me take Judo lessons from the age of 4-12.  These techniques are never lost.  Whenever I would get into a fight (play or real) as a teen or younger, it would always end in the same way.  With my opponent in a headlock on the ground unable to move, regardless of my opponents size.

 

I was shocked by the support I received. The train was not crowded but almost every male on the train was standing behind me.

 

 Go NYC


Edited by John2e - 10/7/11 at 4:01pm
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Glad to hear you stuck up for the right person.  Civility seems to be getting worse around the country, from stories I hear from friends to business colleagues.

 

It's good you didn't have to escalate the situation physically, and that people backed you up.  The situation gets a lot murkier once someone gets hurt, and the legal verdict might not come out in your favor, even with eyewitnesses.  Last but not least, the legal fees can add up fast.  Probably isn't worth it over a water bottle.

 

Situational awareness, presence, and state of mind is everything, as you're familiar with given your self-defense training.

 

Also, not surprising to hear of a former Marine doing the right thing.

 

Btw, there is no such thing as an ex-Marine, except for one who dishonors the Corps.  You should call them former Marines.

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/645197208/Excuse-us-Marine-is-not-an-ex.html

Just google 'ex-marine vs former marine' for many more examples.

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Also, not surprising to hear of a former Marine doing the right thing.

 

Btw, there is no such thing as an ex-Marine, except for one who dishonors the Corps.  You should call them former Marines.

 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/645197208/Excuse-us-Marine-is-not-an-ex.html

Just google 'ex-marine vs former marine' for many more examples.

 

 

I did not know that thanks. That's what she was yelling.  I have edited my post to correct.
 

 


Edited by John2e - 10/7/11 at 3:47pm
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Yeah, I'm sure there are Marine vets who probably describe themselves as ex-Marines, but I know plenty of military folks who get very unhappy when they hear the term, so I wanted to give you a quick heads-up :)

 

Come to think of it, in the Bay Area, the High School age kids are some of the more disruptive and rowdy on our local subway system, too.  Most people usually keep to themselves when the train is crowded.

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Good stuff and kudos to you.  If you do not already have one, add an ASP expanding tactical baton to bag of tricks.  Comes in handy.

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Good stuff and kudos to you.  If you do not already have one, add an ASP expanding tactical baton to bag of tricks.  Comes in handy.


Got one ph34r.gif

 

Did not want to hurt the guy just neutralize

 

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I discretely reach into my bag and take out one of my many self defense weapons. 

 

Just curious, what sort of self defense stuff do you carry around?

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Just curious, what sort of self defense stuff do you carry around?


Nothing Lethal

 

PM me

 


Edited by John2e - 10/7/11 at 6:26pm
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  Most people usually keep to themselves when the train is crowded.


I agree.  I was on the same train last week heading into Manhattan. It was crowded.  A young man tried to flirt with a women and she apparently would have no part of it.   He snapped and starting calling her a bwitch and other words not meant for a forum.  His frustration grew.  He began to say weird stuff about cutting her up and he was going to rape her.  No one on the train even looked at the guy.  This poor girl was left alone to his brutality.  I stood up and started talking to her like I knew her.  She was very grateful.  I see the same people on my train often.  I have seen her again and she always smiles.  This is someones daughter, mother, sister or wife and nobody did anything.  She was terrified

 

In case you are not from the area there is a serial sex assailant in the area.  The R train is his primary hunting ground

 

Thats why I was shocked at the support I received today on a empty train, it was approximately half the guys on the train.  

 

Proud to be a New Yorker today!

 


Edited by John2e - 10/7/11 at 7:14pm
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Sometimes police is not enough... sometimes justice needs to take place... I would wait for the kid to get released from the police station and continue the little chat you have started.

 

A lesson has to be learned. 

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Speaking of which, this reminded me of the book Veteran by Forsyth...

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Sometimes police is not enough... sometimes justice needs to take place... I would wait for the kid to get released from the police station and continue the little chat you have started.

 

A lesson has to be learned. 


Lets keep this sophisticated

 

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Wow , I did not know there are weirdos in New York.

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Sorry getting carried away, this is my weak spot... Just can't stand the... Oh well... Im for Friendship! And ponies!  =>^-^<= /

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Sorry getting carried away, this is my weak spot... Just can't stand the... Oh well... Im for Friendship! And ponies!  =>^-^<= /


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