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post #1 of 16
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Hello everyone,

 

Just wanted to say that I really like this forum, been visiting for a number of weeks and impressed with the knowledge and community of this whole site. So, after many hours of researching and learning about different aspects of Hi-Fi systems, I'm stuck with some final decisions.

 

First, a little bit about myself. I'm Russian, now live in the UK and work as a Computer Technician. Unfortunately my knowledge of audio isn't as vast as computer hardware, since I only recently began to have an interest in quality sound reproduction.

 

Currently, my computer setup consists of:

PC: Intel i7 920 D0, Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5, Corsair 6 GB 1600 Mhz DDR, Gigabyte GTX 470 SOC, Intel X25-M G2 80 GB SSD, 3.5 TB total hard drive space, Seasonic X-750, Antec P183

Monitor: Hyundai W240D

Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Media Players: Films - Media Player Classic HC, Music - Winamp / Foobar2k + WASAPI

Sound Card: Creative Audigy 2 ZS

Speakers: Creative MegaWorks 250D THX 2.1

 

Watching movies (mHD mkv files), playing games (Battlefield 3 / BC2, CS:S, Starcraft, Colin McRae Dirt 3) and listening to music are the main thing I do on this system. My music library consists mostly of trance, drum & base and dubstep genres, in FLAC and mp3 formats. Something as calm and melodic as Solar Fields also gets played occasionally.

 

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I live in a flat and as you can see, I will need to get a new desk to accommodate bookshelf speakers and to get out of the corner to a better acoustic spot.

 

Below are the two options which I have come up with according to my budget:

 

          A) Asus Xonar Essence STX sound card (£139.99)

              ​Yamaha AS500 Amplifier (£249.95)

              B&W 685 passive speakers (£399.95)

              Total = £789.99 ~ $1228.63 USD

 

          B) Motherboard’s USB (£0.00)

            Arcam rDAC DAC (£299.00)

              Adam A5X active speakers (£598.00)

              Total = £897.00 ~ $1394.95 USD

 

Now, I’m by no means an audiophile, I do like the base (although my neighbors not so much) and listen to music all over the flat, hence headphones are not for me.

 

I am a firm believer into always buying quality stuff that will last and be faultless, even if it means waiting, saving up or doing a lot of research.

 

So please tell me what you think and any advice on possible, alternative components, under my circumstances and music taste, would be greatly appreciated.

 

post #2 of 16

If you decide on that second setup, I'd recommend you get the Essence STX instead of the rDAC if you want to save some money. The rDAC may be technically superior, I'm not sure, but they should sound the same. You could probably go for something even cheaper if you don't need the Essence STX's headphone amp. The Creative Titanium HD for example, if that's cheaper where you are.

 

Unfortunately I don't know anything about speakers, so I can't help with anything else.

 

P.S. I used that desktop wallpaper on my computer a couple years ago.


Edited by Head Injury - 10/7/11 at 3:49pm
post #3 of 16

Why not buy a pair of Audioengine speakers + a sub? you'll save money that way. They don't need an amp. 

post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Head Injury View Post

If you decide on that second setup, I'd recommend you get the Essence STX instead of the rDAC if you want to save some money. The rDAC may be technically superior, I'm not sure, but they should sound the same. You could probably go for something even cheaper if you don't need the Essence STX's headphone amp. The Creative Titanium HD for example, if that's cheaper where you are.

 

Unfortunately I don't know anything about speakers, so I can't help with anything else.

 

P.S. I used that desktop wallpaper on my computer a couple years ago.

 


Yeah I won't need the headphone amp, so Creative is an option. However I don't know how much they have improved with their drivers, there was a lot of stability issues on Windows Vista / 7. 

I take it that you don't think an internal sound card has more noise compared to an external one?

 

Another option I have found out is the DacMagic, it's £199, compared to Titanium HD's £111, and has XLR balanced output. Perfect connection for Adam A5Xs.

 

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Originally Posted by Amorgan View Post

Why not buy a pair of Audioengine speakers + a sub? you'll save money that way. They don't need an amp. 


They do look good, but I'm guessing I will need a pre-amp as well as DAC for the sub?

 

post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by Konstantin1 View Post

 

Yeah I won't need the headphone amp, so Creative is an option. However I don't know how much they have improved with their drivers, there was a lot of stability issues on Windows Vista / 7. 

I take it that you don't think an internal sound card has more noise compared to an external one?

 

Another option I have found out is the DacMagic, it's £199, compared to Titanium HD's £111, and has XLR balanced output. Perfect connection for Adam A5Xs.

 

They do look good, but I'm guessing I will need a pre-amp as well as DAC for the sub?


Cambridge Audio DacMagic? The DacMagic is a very good DAC, and that's a very good price compared to your Essence STX price. Here in the U.S. the DacMagic costs over twice as much. They're coming out with a new product soon, maybe they're dropping prices. It would be a good option for you.

 

Cheap internal sound cards may be subject to RMI and EMI inside a computer case. The Essence STX and Titanium HD are shielded, and the STX at least is shielded quite well. I'm sure it depends on the computer, but Stereophile measured very impressive noise levels. You'll hit the 16 bit noise floor before you hit the card's noise floor. I have it sitting right between my graphics card and processor, no audible noise no matter how busy the components get.

post #6 of 16

Whoa how u go from a $1k+ usd  set up to those A2s? For near field you do not need a monster amp to drive speakers even less so if you are pairing amp with efficient speakers. Also u stated you love bass so perhaps a nice 8-10" sub in the mix? Drop by AVS/Whathifi for more speaker suggestions if u willing to splash the cash for good SQ tongue_smile.gif

 

Also have a look at superfi since u in the UK hehe

http://www.superfi.co.uk/

 

I am not saying B&W are bad just (IMO) overpriced for the SQ they belt out

I suppose with a healthy budget the Monitor Audio BX2 is well within range L3000.gif

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/7983


Edited by trog - 10/8/11 at 3:56pm
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Head Injury View Post

Cambridge Audio DacMagic? The DacMagic is a very good DAC, and that's a very good price compared to your Essence STX price. Here in the U.S. the DacMagic costs over twice as much. They're coming out with a new product soon, maybe they're dropping prices. It would be a good option for you.

 

Cheap internal sound cards may be subject to RMI and EMI inside a computer case. The Essence STX and Titanium HD are shielded, and the STX at least is shielded quite well. I'm sure it depends on the computer, but Stereophile measured very impressive noise levels. You'll hit the 16 bit noise floor before you hit the card's noise floor. I have it sitting right between my graphics card and processor, no audible noise no matter how busy the components get.


Yes, it's the Cambridge Audio, but that's the price for white version, the one in black is £229... guess things are not much different in the audio industry.

Do you know when the new product is expected to be released?

 

I'll definitely take the STX seriously then, it will also provide better flexibility.

 

P.S. The wallpaper is great, I really like this theme. Like your self, I had it for years, and just recently put it on again.

 

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Originally Posted by trog View Post

Whoa how u go from a $1k+ usd  set up to those A2s? For near field you do not need a monster amp to drive speakers even less so if you are pairing amp with efficient speakers. Also u stated you love bass so perhaps a nice 8-10" sub in the mix? Drop by AVS/Whathifi for more speaker suggestions if u willing to splash the cash for good SQ tongue_smile.gif

 

Also have a look at superfi since u in the UK hehe

http://www.superfi.co.uk/

 

I am not saying B&W are bad just (IMO) overpriced for the SQ they belt out

I suppose with a healthy budget the Monitor Audio BX2 is well within range L3000.gif

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/7983


I think the sub will have to come in at a later date, when I get a house. On paper the 685 and A5Xs go down to 50 Hz, do you think this will still give a decent base? I've only heard some cheap, all in one, Hi - Fi & CD player combos, as far as I remember, they seemed ok. 

I'll have a look at them forums, this site does seem to have an emphasis on headphones rather than speakers, but I still learned a lot.

 

I have considered the BX2s, but the B&Ws just look so good! I'm not too keen on having a huge amp on my desk however, the A5Xs get a huge plus there.

 

Super-Fi and Richer Sounds were the two main sites for the price checks wink.gif

 

post #8 of 16

Mind that the position of the speakers in the room will be essential.  

 

If you are going to put them on a desk, I'd suggest buying a pair of professional active speakers such as the Adam A5 or A7, or a pair of KRK in the same price range, which were meant to be positioned also on a desk for monitoring and also have external switches on the back to adjust the frequency response of each speaker in case you have to put them in not-optimal position (i.e. one of the speakers in a corner).

 

 

I'd suggest to go to a music instruments' store and give them a listen before buying them.

 

I think the internal sound card will be fine.

 

 

One thing: what's the bitrate of the Mp3s you usually listen to? Active monitor speakers are very revealing and if the recordings you are listening to are poor, the result may disappoint you.

post #9 of 16

Well i would definitely steer clear of boxed/set HTs cos the sacrifice in SQ (for the most part) is just too much to cater for convenience blink.gif Hmm do drop by a hifi shop/store and audition stuff u keen on and even bring CD/s matching the genre of music u like and request if using your own CDs to audition those are cool beerchug.gif

post #10 of 16
I own Asus card and also tried creative HD card which cost almost the same here in US and had issues with drivers on both cards but using headphones only but. for my trained ears Asus sounds significantly better and since I finally solved drivers issue after updated Unixonar came out I'm very happy with it.what helps the card get low noise is getting power from power supply's molex connection instead of pci express slot
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by trog View Post

Well i would definitely steer clear of boxed/set HTs cos the sacrifice in SQ (for the most part) is just too much to cater for convenience blink.gif Hmm do drop by a hifi shop/store and audition stuff u keen on and even bring CD/s matching the genre of music u like and request if using your own CDs to audition those are cool beerchug.gif


Dear,

Since I, as the OP, am not English mothertongue I would suggest to bear some patience and to mind this while answering!  "1 may not b used 2 such kinda slang 'ritin!" beerchug.gif

 

 

Anyway I agree with you, cheap HT-like stuff is rubbish for the most, and I would also avoid sound cards produced by gaming-oriented brands as someone else suggested

 

 

I don't know how much auditioning stuff in hi-fi shops would be useful since our fellow's particular listening environment

 

post #12 of 16

The Asus Xonar Essence st has excellent specs at a good price I think you should go with that, the amp your looking at is £250 and doesn't list any solid specs just marking bs I wouldn't buy it, the b&w 685 are excellent speakers but hardly a bargin at £400, the Adam A5x have ribbon tweeters , ribbon tweeters are very directional you have to have them ear height facing your ears to get the best sound from them.

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by JRG1990 View Post

The Asus Xonar Essence st


I have to agree with this. It does drive most headphones, and the Dac is pretty decent. 

 

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Edoardo View Post

Mind that the position of the speakers in the room will be essential.  

 

If you are going to put them on a desk, I'd suggest buying a pair of professional active speakers such as the Adam A5 or A7, or a pair of KRK in the same price range, which were meant to be positioned also on a desk for monitoring and also have external switches on the back to adjust the frequency response of each speaker in case you have to put them in not-optimal position (i.e. one of the speakers in a corner).

 

 

I'd suggest to go to a music instruments' store and give them a listen before buying them.

 

I think the internal sound card will be fine.

 

 

One thing: what's the bitrate of the Mp3s you usually listen to? Active monitor speakers are very revealing and if the recordings you are listening to are poor, the result may disappoint you.


The MP3s I have are mostly 320 kbs, some VRB and a minority are 128 kbs. What's the lowest MP3 bit rate would you recommend to play on speakers such as Adam A5s / A5Xs, would it be lower for none studio speakers such as B&W 685s?

 

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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post

I own Asus card and also tried creative HD card which cost almost the same here in US and had issues with drivers on both cards but using headphones only but. for my trained ears Asus sounds significantly better and since I finally solved drivers issue after updated Unixonar came out I'm very happy with it.what helps the card get low noise is getting power from power supply's molex connection instead of pci express slot


An other plus for the STX then! I understand that the card won't work without power from the molex connector, so low noise levels aren't optional. smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by JRG1990 View Post

The Asus Xonar Essence st has excellent specs at a good price I think you should go with that, the amp your looking at is £250 and doesn't list any solid specs just marking bs I wouldn't buy it, the b&w 685 are excellent speakers but hardly a bargin at £400, the Adam A5x have ribbon tweeters , ribbon tweeters are very directional you have to have them ear height facing your ears to get the best sound from them.


Yeah I agree about the Yamaha, it does have too much sales talk. Any ideas on an alternative? 

 

So you wouldn't recommend A5Xs to be used more generally, by somebody listening from different locations?

I never heard the ribbon tweeters, would say they are an upgrade to the usual type?

 

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Konstantin1 View Post

The MP3s I have are mostly 320 kbs, some VRB and a minority are 128 kbs. What's the lowest MP3 bit rate would you recommend to play on speakers such as Adam A5s / A5Xs, would it be lower for none studio speakers such as B&W 685s?

 

 



I have never done any serious comparison of file formats, because I've never downloaded anything. I've always just ripped my CDs into FLAC. 

But I have a friend, a download-maniac, that after having purchased a pair of earphones on my advice, phoned me to thank me telling me "now I have to download higher quality mp3s because those ligher ones sound so bad in comparison".

 

For sure I can tell you that consumer Hi-Fi gear is, by design, less revealing and "dynamic" than professional-oriented audio equipment, because the latter is designed to reveal flaws during playback while the first is, conversely, designed to make most things sound good.

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