[review/comparison] Beyerdynamic DT1350, T50p, Sennheiser HD25-1-ii, HD25-13-ii, Pioneer... - Page 24

 

Well I am looking more to experiment, yet I still want quality bass (maybe not so much quantity).

 

What I want to do is listen and compare, I am pretty much set in the artists I like (all sorts of rock and alternative) so accumulating a good selection of cans that offer different aspects of music is what I want. Same headphone everyday... boring after a while.

 

Also I am thinking of getting an iBasso amp soon (T5 maybe.. small, cheap, and looks nice... not too many reviews though but it is just a thought) so which in your opinion have the most potential for amping (I am thinking down the road). Whichever I purchase is not dependent on this factor, this is just the inquisitive side of me. Eventually I will buy both and probably a lot more, but as of now its one headphone that would be on par with the value of the M-80s and any other suggestions? (I looked and these two are the ones that peaked my interest the most).

 

Thanks a bunch!

but is it like physically bass heavy? Oh also do you think you'll be getting the m-100 when it comes out, just curious

Thats true looks like I got some decision making to do, probably be a month before I decide haha 

@OP:

 

Thanks for the comparisons between the DT1350 and the M80, especially with the clamp and sound sig. I used to own the DT1350's but ultimately I had to let go as I ultimately preferred the tonality and the midrange of the DT150 (I would never part with these). On a technical level the DT1350 trounce the DT150 but at the end of the day it's all about the sound that I liked more and kept going back to.

 

The M80 are now looking like the portable complement that I should consider.

Cool comparisons and thanks for the work. Just got a brand new pair of the DT 1350s and I really would add that you need to amp these things with something decent or you will not get the full sound. Also, you can put a rubber band or something around them tightly, don't put them in the case, and you can shrink them a bit if you leave them tied together after listening. The case mold will expand them too much imo and I don't use it anyway.

Really though the more you wear them the seal tends to morph to your face a bit. You will find a good seal but you probably do need a slightly larger head. I actually wanted more clamping force when I first got them but I am not so sure anymore. I have a fairly large head.

EQ is also very necessary for these. Well, I need an EQ for ANY headphones but I think the highs are harsh on these babies when you are blasting concert level. Put them down 2.5 dB roughly in problem areas and I think I have found my spot. Low bass also went down a bit because when they are amped there is definitely not a huge lack of bass imo. The midrange is fantastic and is basically left as is. I am loving these things. Beware though that some people seem to have gotten mismatched channels on theirs. I am pretty sure mine are fine and they also come with a 2 year warranty anyway.

I also think these phones might need a decent bit of break in, I have no idea about the people that think an ipod is going to power these properly because it doesn't. Not even close man there is like no bass or fullness to the sound at all lol. I have my Denon 2112ci hooked up and these things kill. The bass is huge on certain tracks and I am not sure I would want anymore for fear of it messing with the soundstage. You can always use bass in home setup but with headphones there are tradeoffs. Pressing the cups in will give you a lot of bass so if you can get a perfect seal these will be very good in the bass. Excellent imo for portable much better when amped and playing flac files and games at home if you are on a 300 budget like I was. Or do both.

80ohm does require an map to sound anywhere near its potential.
Edited by swarthy - 3/15/12 at 5:59am

All of my listening is done on a 2112ci Denon. I tried an ipod and my USB amp for about 3 minutes and said no thanks.

An quality amp is always going to be the right thing in this kind of situation. Especially, if you are like me and want that concert level sound at times. My little USB amp (with very high quality components but DIY) couldn't get hardly any decent bass out of these. 80ohm still takes considerable power to drive the low end. Just because you can drive them with an ipod or something like that doesn't mean an amp is not going to get x times better sound in the end. 80ohms is simply and quite obviously not 30 ohms. There is a big enough difference there to make someone take note. I don't agree with your notes on the bass. It is full, lovely, and has a nice slam when it needs to. It goes deeper than just about anything I have tried in this range.

I am loving these things after EQ. I actually brought my low end bass down a bit as well the 2k and up range is about -2dB and teetering off for me across the board. These things now sound like monsters. I love them. Well worth every penny and I don't think there is anything in this range that offers all that they do. Again, though, if you don't have a high quality amp then I would say there are other options.

If these things hurt your ears from the clamp then I don't think you would be getting the best seal as many of us need to bend the metal slightly to get the bass. When you might push in your cups to get deep bass that is what I hear normally right now. It is terrific in every regard and very controlled. On the contrary, it is not overdamped at all. It needs to be like this or the whole thing is going to lose control at ultra high volumes. These headphones we must remember, I know you know this already, were not just made for portable ipods. They are for DJ's and studio sound guys and they can get louder and more powerful than anything I have seen this small bar none.

An ipod is never going to drive anything very well. It's a simple matter of the game. You need high quality DAC's, output, etc. to get the best out of your setup. Ipods are not high quality amps or DACs and they never will be. Trying to force a poor power source on these headphones and then complaining about the sound is like complaining that your car is damaged because it was in an accident. No crap. I am just saying though. Not responding to anyone or you in particular. I agree with your notes on treble and midrange and I have had to EQ a bit to get my treble where I want it. It was very piercing at high volumes out of the gate and it also depends on recording. These things love high def recordings.

I just bent the metal on these EVER so slightly (it is very easy to do) and the seal is now where it should be. Be careful if you are bending just so you can make it appear even. But let me tell you that this is the BEST thing you can do if you do not have a proper seal. The bass in these things is huge imo for their size. VERY tight and very defined. Not quite full sized $1000 cans but for how small these things are and the soundstage being a bit smaller there is simply no way in hell you would want any more bass if you are doing it right. The bass pumps and tingles my ears on many tracks. Any more and it would destroy my mids and soundstage.

I have no doubt that the sound levels they achieve here necessitate the better damping. The bass is huge on these things. People who cannot get this bass I feel sorry for but these days people expect miracles out of ipods lol so I don't know.
Edited by swarthy - 3/16/12 at 8:03am

Ah I see. Well, I guess we all will have thoughts. To me when I am pushing these things the bass is pretty huge and it must be noted that even loosening your clamp a tiny bit and you will see bass fall away VERY quickly. I was surprised at how little I had to bend them to get a slightly better and more stable seal. I am sure to some the bass is not GIGANTIC but as a basshead myself it surely is good on most material.

The treble is where I am having trouble tuning and with my Denon it almost seems like I need to wait for more break in to see what happens. Problem is you need to go loud to tune these properly and I don't like ear ringing all the time lol. That treble can be a beech and it would help if I had an even larger EQ to do it.

Anyway, still enjoying these thoroughly.

Anyone know the driver size of hd25?

 

btw, anyone with hd25-13 using alpen e17 amp ?

 

thanks

if compared DT880/250 with HD25-1 II ?

 

what is the better choice for female voice,instrument,bass....

 

thks

if swap DT880 to HD25-1...that is a worth choice? or some stupid action?...haha

 

i own DT880/250 now,ganna try HD25-1 II....